Coaching Search: Place your bets

[cyatheart]

I don’t really care who it is, this is so bad it might take a couple coaching changes to find the right guy. I don’t think people realize how bad this is and how the mountain is to compete in this conference.

but at least TJ knows what it takes to win here, he has seen it. Guys like Prohm and Greg in his here, never understand what it takes to compete in the Big12 because they have never been at this level.

then they get here and the ol ball screen with an NBA guard doesn’t work, and they can’t adjust because they never saw it not work and they don’t know anything else.

I would be really nervous about any mid major guy coming in here that didn’t have any power 5 assistant experience.

 

[Malone]

This is 100% fair and pretty much where I’m at. The only way I don’t want TJ is if he’s Pollard’s only focus. Do a full search and if he’s the best option, hire him.

But there is a segment out there saying “TJ = Prohm” which is ridiculous. He may be successful, he may not. But no one knows how it will turn out.

Watch a UNLV game. He = Prohm. Unimaginative sets, listless defense. It makes no sense to get rid of Prohm to obtain a similar asset. Seriously, YouTube their games or watch them against Air Force on Wed. It’s not encouraging and there’s nothing there suggesting it’d be a good hire beyond TJ’s recruiting chops.

 

[mplueg]

Good at building and good at raising money, not so good at hiring.

lol

you’re right - the most successful football coach in ISU history and arguably the most successful bball coach in ISU history -totally sucky at hiring!!

not every coach is going to pan out at any university. Saying he is not good at hiring is ridiculous!!

 

[Malone]

lol

you’re right - the most successful football coach in ISU history and arguably the most successful bball coach in ISU history -totally sucky at hiring!!

not every coach is going top pan out at any university. Saying he is not good at hiring is ridiculous!!

If he hires TJ, he is not good at hiring and cares more about faith/friendships/ties than success which is not a good approach to a multi-million dollar business.

 

[cycloneworld]

Good at building and good at raising money, not so good at hiring.

LOL. Hired Matt Campbell, hired Fred Hoiberg. The greatest coach in ISU football history and will end up as the greatest hire in Iowa State history. Hired Fred Hoiberg who sustained winning better than anyone else in school history.

Sure, some haven’t panned out. But I’d argue, all of his hires, except for Rhoads, were well regarded and solid candidates. I bet nearly every AD with his longevity have made some hires that haven’t worked out.

 

[mplueg]

If he hires TJ, he is not good at hiring and cares more about faith/friendships/ties than success which is not a good approach to a multi-million dollar business.

Same was said about the Hoiberg hire

I would bet given size of university Pollard has one of the most successful athletic departments (businesses) in the entire country!!

 

[Malone]

Same was said about the Hoiberg hire

I would bet given size of university Pollard has one of the most successful athletic departments (businesses) in the entire country!!

This is intellectual laziness. There was indication that Fred could coach; the questions were about recruiting. There were a few articles im not going to dig for stating he lived and breathed drawing up sets and that he had a good deal of respect from NBA peers. Coaches said he had a coach’s mind as a player.

No doubt Pollard has built a successful AD. He’s good at fundraising, image, and building buildings. He’s also hired/extended Greg McDermott, Paul Rhoads and Steve Prohm. Yeah yeah I understand the arguments for Rhoads and Prohm extensions. He gave them lengthy extensions when there was poor indication of the ability to turn the corner/sustain though. The success has primarily come from happening to be in a conference that has lucrative tv contracts.

 

[DGC]

Who do I Want : Fred or John Beilein
Who do I think it will be : some mid-major coach that I have never heard of
Who do I not want : Steve Prohm

Really I don't care who it is as long as they win, and consistently get us to the NCAA tourney. Its crazy that football's goal is a Big 12 championship, and basketball's goal is to win a game.

Anybody know anything about the Toledo coach? Seems to work out for us (Bill, Matt).

 

[DGC]

This is intellectual laziness. There was indication that Fred could coach; the questions were about recruiting. There were a few articles im not going to dig for stating he lived and breathed drawing up sets and that he had a good deal of respect from NBA peers. Coaches said he had a coach’s mind as a player.

No doubt Pollard has built a successful AD. He’s good at fundraising, image, and building buildings. He’s also hired/extended Greg McDermott, Paul Rhoads and Steve Prohm. Yeah yeah I understand the arguments for Rhoads and Prohm extensions. He gave them lengthy extensions when there was poor indication of the ability to turn the corner/sustain though. The success has primarily come from happening to be in a conference that has lucrative tv contracts.

You forget the biggest coaching blunder of the Pollard era, firing Dan McCarney for Gene Chizek.

 

[Cyclone Rebel]

Watch a UNLV game. He = Prohm. Unimaginative sets, listless defense. It makes no sense to get rid of Prohm to obtain a similar asset. Seriously, YouTube their games or watch them against Air Force on Wed. It’s not encouraging and there’s nothing there suggesting it’d be a good hire beyond TJ’s recruiting chops.

Here, you can watch Craig Smith and TJ in the second half at UNLV this year. UNLV let them back in at the end of the game, this is where they missed their point guard.

 

[CyclonesFan4ever]

Anybody know anything about the Toledo coach? Seems to work out for us (Bill, Matt).

The same idea popped into my head this morning so I checked. You do not want to hire that Coach K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tod_Kowalczyk

 

[Lewey24]

Here, you can watch Craig Smith and TJ in the second half at UNLV this year. UNLV let them back in at the end of the game, this is where they missed their point guard.

Ignoring the results of that game, just from the little bit I watched it looks like Craig Smith’s offense flows much better than TJ’s. TJ’s offense looks very similar to Prohm’s...

 

[Cyclonick182]

You forget the biggest coaching blunder of the Pollard era, firing Dan McCarney for Gene Chizek.

Given where we are now it's pretty hard to call that a blunder if you ask me. Plus it's not like JP knew Cheesedick was going to bolt after 2 years.

 

[awd4cy]

You forget the biggest coaching blunder of the Pollard era, firing Dan McCarney for Gene Chizek.

That wasn’t a blunder at all. Dan would have done 3-9 or worse in 2007.

 

[Cyclones125]

The people who are saying they don't want Hoiberg are probably the same morons who thought Prohm was a good coach 1 year ago

 

[chuckd4735]

You forget the biggest coaching blunder of the Pollard era, firing Dan McCarney for Gene Chizek.

Chizik was far from a blunder. All things considered at the time, it might of been Pollard's best hire. It's honestly amazing that he was able to convince the hottest commodity on the market to come to Iowa State.

 

[dafarmer]

You forget the biggest coaching blunder of the Pollard era, firing Dan McCarney for Gene Chizek.

Dan McCarney brought ISU to respectability, but every season seemed to have a late season fade. A lot of people realized he had plateaued out and were looking for a coach to build on. The only difference Prohm and Lickliter is Prohm didn't have a kid playing basketball.

 

[madguy30]

You forget the biggest coaching blunder of the Pollard era, firing Dan McCarney for Gene Chizek.

This is the thinking for the 'Yeah but what about beating Iowa?' crowd after ISU wins a ****ing Fiesta Bowl and is 2-3 plays from winning the Big 12 Championship Game.

 

[mynameisjonas]

Chizik was far from a blunder. All things considered at the time, it might of been Pollard's best hire. It's honestly amazing that he was able to convince the hottest commodity on the market to come to Iowa State.

five wins in two years.

 

[Tornado man]

Chizik was far from a blunder. All things considered at the time, it might of been Pollard's best hire. It's honestly amazing that he was able to convince the hottest commodity on the market to come to Iowa State.

Whoa, what?