***Bowl Games Thread***

What refs are we going to have...ACC?
They haven’t announced it yet but I bet the Fiesta Bowl has a crew from the SEC. That is the only Power 5 conference that is yet to have an officiating crew in the NY6.

It looks like Brandon Cruse’s crew (Big 12) is slated to do the National Championship game.
 
Yeah, that looked way too easy. Well that long pass was pretty impressive. Not many teams that would take a shot like that on 3rd and 5 at the 35.
 
Same crew as the Big 12 Championship where Campbell about ripped their heads off.

I saw a similar hit as Young's get called back as targeting yesterday in the WI game so let's see it happen tonight and see what they say.
 
I've kicked it around some, and it could be arranged that the top two G5 teams play conference championship weekend for the playoff spot, eliminating that complaint. I really don't think they would often perform well in their CFP playoff game, but I think if a G5 goes undefeated and beats the second best G5 to end the year they have a solid argument. That would normally be a top 25 win at the end of the year which is no different than whoever OSU typically beats in the B1G CCG to "earn" their ticket.
That is an interesting idea. I'd probably leave it up to the G5 to see if they wanted to do that. Because I don't think it's necessary to prove that the G-5 rep belongs.

People whine about getting a seat at the table now they complain what seat? Again prove it on the field. You are in so let’s see what ya got. Also, the bye is sometime a curse for teams that like to be in rhythm. Too much time off can be a disadvantage for some teams, especially high octane offenses.

NFL uses byes and it’s worked perfectly in my opinion. It’s an advantage but not a guarantee you make the title game.

In the end I think the subjective nature of seeding is not nearly as bad as going to 8 and haven’t 2-3 wildcards basically where they are just going to add more SEC and Big Ten teams, so what’s the difference. I don’t and subjective reason for who gets in. Yes I know the G5 spot still technically is but they are getting a shot at least finally in my scenario. Shut up and take it.
No, I am complaining about making it more difficult than it needs to be. And you keep saying "prove it on the field" but my system does that better because it isn't giving an unnecessary advantage to one team. Plus, as Madguy pointed out, there's differences between the NFL and college football so the fact that they use a bye-system doesn't mean as much.

If you are only taking conference champs and the top G5, YOU DON'T NEED A COMMITTEE. Criteria for seeding can be predetermined and transparent. Even the old BCS formula would do. The thing I like most about it is none of those criteria matter until you win your conference first.
I think the committee is probably here to stay. They aren't giving their power up. But even if they did. The system is still going to be biased. Even if you use computers it's going to biased. Computers will just perfectly use the biased system that you told them to use. It could also lead to absurd results depending on how you were having it determine who should get in.

hadn't done the math yet when I posted or even looked at the score really..

at the same time we would get 4-2 Oregon as an auto bid at this point as well.. who backed into the CCG due to Washington being unable to play... I would be fine with the BCS computers handling who the top 8 are and go from there...
Sure, that could happen. Or where Wisconsin won the Big 10 at 8-5 because Ohio State and Penn State were ineligible. But in that case they would just be the 8 seed and get demolished. Also, the only people who would really be upset in either of those cases are other Pac-12 teams or Big 10 teams.

My concern with just having the computer choose the top 8 is that computers aren't perfect. They just do what you tell them to do and value what you tell them is important. So if you don't have autobids, the computer may say that the best 8 teams are 4 sec teams, 2 Big 10 teams, Notre Dame, and Clemson. Plus, if you do an autobid system, then everyone has a path to the championship.
 
The problem with allowing the highest ranked g5 team is that almost always, that team is going to be Notre Dame. I don’t like the idea of Notre Dame getting a playoff spot every year and using that as a recruiting advantage.
Notre Dame isn't counted as G5, so at most they would be taking one of the at-large bids
 
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Again you’re still in the playoff so it’s up to you to win it and show you are the best.

But that’s why I suggested a non-committee in a different post on this. See my thoughts on having all FBS coaches rank the six teams, coaches of team in playoff do not get a vote, and tally it up like MVP or Heisman voting where you get points for first place through sixth. Total it up and spit them out.
But why do you have to make it more difficult for some teams? We don't tell runners at the Olympics "ok guys, you all get the chance to show you're the fastest, but some of you need to give the other guys a head start"
 
That is an interesting idea. I'd probably leave it up to the G5 to see if they wanted to do that. Because I don't think it's necessary to prove that the G-5 rep belongs.


No, I am complaining about making it more difficult than it needs to be. And you keep saying "prove it on the field" but my system does that better because it isn't giving an unnecessary advantage to one team. Plus, as Madguy pointed out, there's differences between the NFL and college football so the fact that they use a bye-system doesn't mean as much.


I think the committee is probably here to stay. They aren't giving their power up. But even if they did. The system is still going to be biased. Even if you use computers it's going to biased. Computers will just perfectly use the biased system that you told them to use. It could also lead to absurd results depending on how you were having it determine who should get in.


Sure, that could happen. Or where Wisconsin won the Big 10 at 8-5 because Ohio State and Penn State were ineligible. But in that case they would just be the 8 seed and get demolished. Also, the only people who would really be upset in either of those cases are other Pac-12 teams or Big 10 teams.

My concern with just having the computer choose the top 8 is that computers aren't perfect. They just do what you tell them to do and value what you tell them is important. So if you don't have autobids, the computer may say that the best 8 teams are 4 sec teams, 2 Big 10 teams, Notre Dame, and Clemson. Plus, if you do an autobid system, then everyone has a path to the championship.

My view is not that computers are perfect, but that they are not arbitrary. Everybody knows going in that they have to win their conference AND guarantee a certain strength of schedule for example, leading to better scheduling of OOC opponents. It would push these behemoth conferences to make their CCG between their top two rated teams, instead of winners of unbalanced divisions. It would be good for the game.
 
Alvarez’s crew still refusing to call holding
Yeah that holding was obvious. Especially when they showed the replay. Really surprised the announcers didn’t point it out. :rolleyes: