Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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Trice

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There is another scenario regarding Reynolds and Fauci - Fauci might have stated the additional closings Reynolds announced today were necessary for his endorsement of her current plan. I think the closing of parks is a major escalation in restrictions, way beyond many other states.

It is going to be interesting to hear the next firestorm when/if half the state is shelter-in-place, including multiple counties having no cases, while other counties with dozens of cases continue to be exempt. My recollection is Reynolds didn't want individual counties "shut down" and originally wanted a statewide, consistent message. The regional concept might be the worst option.

Parks are not shut down. Playground equipment, amusement parks, and skate parks are.
 
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Parks are not shut down. Playground equipment, amusement parks, and skate parks are.
They are open, but most of the services associated with them are closed like campsites, cabins, etc. Not trying to argue anything, just fyi.
 

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I thought I heard parks were shut down now too. Might have heard wrong?
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Not exactly sure.
With all your trolling and partisanship, you don’t have time to follow policy or budget changes that occurred starting in 2017? And yes, I think there likely have been decisions since the end of the Cold War that contributed to less infrastructure and readiness for response than needed.

As for States vs federal failure, imo pandemic threats predominantly fall under federal jurisdictions. The cost of better/competent preparation are high, but imo this type of threat is much more likely to be damaging than the conventional national-state physical threats we spend trillions on.


What is your opinion on the ventilator issue? In 2007 the gov't looked at issues from (was it SARS then or something else, can't remember the exact and I forget what the article said) the current medical pandemic and the assembled medical team said we needed to ramp up the ventilator situation and stockpile. 2008 they had decided what they wanted (a smaller more condensed ventilator that would be easy to transport) and decided they needed around 20,000 of these. We still don't have them. 11-12 years from when everything got ironed out and wheels set in motion, and somehow a bunch of people dropped this. This is a problem that was noticed in 2007 and addressed in 2008 but apparently somewhere, somebody dropped the ball.

So this was supposed to be fixed 10 years before your 2017 timeframe but nothing happened. Why?
 

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Bananas, apples, oranges, grapefruit, lemons, limes, tomatoes, potatoes, carrots and everything with a somewhat durable skin gets washed in lukewarm water and dishsoap with a soft scrub brush as soon as I get home. Things like broccoli, cauliflower, celery I rinse the hell out of. Any junkmail goes immediately to the recycling bin in my garage without actually coming inside the house. Most of it I wait two days to open after it sits in a safe place. Always wash my hands thoroughly after handling any mail. Packages are also quarantined for two days. Probably overkill with the mail.

Damn!!!! I go to the mailbox as soon as I see the truck pull up, open the mail and deposit checks written to me right away.
 

Trice

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I thought I heard parks were shut down now too. Might have heard wrong?

They are open, but most of the services associated with them are closed like campsites, cabins, etc. Not trying to argue anything, just fyi.

I should have been more clear...yes, parks are open but most of the amenities are closed. I don't know if that is all by state proclamation or if that will be patchwork by jurisdiction or location.

As to why you might have heard parks are closed, I wonder if this line of the proclamation is causing confusion:

Skating rinks and parks: All indoor or outdoor roller or ice skating rinks and skate parks shall be closed.


I don't remember how she phrased it in the press conference, but spoken aloud that might sound like "skating rinks and parks" (two separate items) where it's clear from reading it in the proclamation that she's referring specifically to skate parks.
 

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I thought I heard parks were shut down now too. Might have heard wrong?
New closures w/ previous listed also:
Lists of new, previous closures
The full list of closed businesses, taking effect as of 8 a.m. Tuesday, now includes:

  • Malls
  • Tobacco or vaping stores
  • Toy, gaming, music, instrument, movie or adult entertainment stores
  • Social and fraternal clubs, including those at golf courses
  • Bingo halls, bowling alleys, pool halls, arcades and amusement parks
  • Museums, libraries, aquariums and zoos
  • Race tracks and speedways
  • Roller or ice skating rinks and skate parks
  • Outdoor or indoor playgrounds or children’s play centers
  • Campgrounds
Also prohibited are unsolicited door-to-door sales.

Golf courses are still allowed open, provided they implement social distancing practices.

The closures join the following that were already closed by the governor’s proclamation:

  • Restaurants and bars limited to carry-out
  • Fitness centers and swimming pools
  • Salons and barbershops
  • Medical spas
  • Tattoo parlors
  • Tanning facilities
  • Massage therapy establishments
  • Theaters
  • Casinos
  • Nonessential retail stores, including bookstores, clothing and accessory stores, beauty supply stores, florists and home furnishing stores. All are still able to operate online and offer delivery and curbside pickup.
  • Senior citizen centers and adult day care facilities
  • Livestock auctions of food animals with more than 25 people
  • All other gatherings of 10 or more people, including religious and community gatherings, parades, festivals, conventions and fundraisers
 

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Maybe posted already, a 5:27 minute video currently on the front page of nytimes.com, that I found to be informative

https://www.nytimes.com/

“How Coronavirus Attacks the Body”

Includes 3-D model of the lungs of a 59-year-old patient who died.

(You might have to click tab that says Video; perhaps search later on above title if not there.)
 
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What is your opinion on the ventilator issue? In 2007 the gov't looked at issues from (was it SARS then or something else, can't remember the exact and I forget what the article said) the current medical pandemic and the assembled medical team said we needed to ramp up the ventilator situation and stockpile. 2008 they had decided what they wanted (a smaller more condensed ventilator that would be easy to transport) and decided they needed around 20,000 of these. We still don't have them. 11-12 years from when everything got ironed out and wheels set in motion, and somehow a bunch of people dropped this. This is a problem that was noticed in 2007 and addressed in 2008 but apparently somewhere, somebody dropped the ball.

So this was supposed to be fixed 10 years before your 2017 timeframe but nothing happened. Why?
Worth a listen
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus-medical-supplies-shortages.html
 

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Here’s what happens around here

Not sure I understand the reasoning behind keeping people out of parks (these types of parks), unless there simply isn’t a way for people to avoid coming in contact with each other there. We drove around saylorville on Sunday and there were some entrances that were closed off however at least one that was open and was a zoo. At each of the closed ones there were a handful of vehicles parked like that though.
 

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Here’s what happens around here


Yeah because wide open forests are such a terrible place to get away from people. Yet some essential business (ie those with money) still have hundreds come to work every day


I do wish we could just get on with this already, I'd love some vacation time.
 

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Not sure I understand the reasoning behind keeping people out of parks (these types of parks), unless there simply isn’t a way for people to avoid coming in contact with each other there. We drove around saylorville on Sunday and there were some entrances that were closed off however at least one that was open and was a zoo. At each of the closed ones there were a handful of vehicles parked like that though.
Known trails are crowded, rural areas don’t have a lot of medical facilities, search and rescue etc is better off not being deployed.
 
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Yeah because wide open forests are such a terrible place to get away from people. Yet some essential business (ie those with money) still have hundreds come to work every day


I do wish we could just get on with this already, I'd love some vacation time.
See my post above.
 
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