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madguy30 said:
I think this is another semantics thing. Covid can cause pneumonia in people, and they can die from that pneumonia. They technically may die from pneumonia, but they likely wouldn't have had that pneumonia had they not gotten Covid.

This will probably be the argument from people that will stick to the thought that this is nothing more than just another flu, even though flu can do the same thing.
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I agree but I think it’s going to go both ways on that. You are going to have people who were likely going to die regardless die in part because of this when really it didn’t matter a ton on whether they died.

I also have no idea on the validity and I really doubt it but there were allegations of people dying from unrelated things being categorized as dying from this just because they tested positive.
 
Trice said:
I'm very confused, because I've been assured for weeks now we were already sheltering in place by different terminology. Now I'm learning we hadn't been doing everything we can.

/collapses onto fainting couch
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Hmmm big if true
 
ZB4CY said:
Agreed it does adapt.

I also agree that some of the deaths being reported under COVID should probably be listed under a different reason.

I've read numerous things that say "John Smith dies due to complimcations of COVID-19" You actually read the article and realize that John Smith has COPD and was on oxygen.
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Right but didn't Covid-19 officially make it so that person died? Wouldn't that be complications from Covid-19?

Like if someone has rheumatoid arthritis, which leads to a weakened immune system, and is doing fine one week, and then contracts Covid and dies, they died because of Covid making things really severe.
 
madguy30 said:
Right but didn't Covid-19 officially make it so that person died? Wouldn't that be complications from Covid-19?

Like if someone has rheumatoid arthritis, which leads to a weakened immune system, and is doing fine one week, and then contracts Covid and dies, they died because of Covid making things really severe.
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I think then the cause of death would be "blah blah caused by covid" on the death certificate but not sure how it is counted for stats purposes
 
ISUTex said:
They are ramping up production. They have been for a while now. They also aren't giving it to infected people unless they get really sick. There have been several doctors interviewed that said they've been prescribing it, and that it is working. It would really suck to not use this medicine and have more people die because there aren't official clinical studies that confirm it yet. Especially when it's pretty obvious that it's working.
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Is there a link for this?

Is there enough production so people that need it can still obtain it?
 
ISUTex said:
They are ramping up production. They have been for a while now. They also aren't giving it to infected people unless they get really sick. There have been several doctors interviewed that said they've been prescribing it, and that it is working. It would really suck to not use this medicine and have more people die because there aren't official clinical studies that confirm it yet. Especially when it's pretty obvious that it's working.
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How are you sure of this when "there will be a vaccine quickly" was very obviously a lie from the same people.

Explain the process of sorting the lies from what we can trust?

Obviously it would be great to have any treatment. It would be great to have a vaccine quickly. I can't live in a world where we ignore they already clearly lied about a quick vaccine but now I'm supposed to trust this other info?
 
I hope I can still go on my therapeutic drives after my bi-weekly grocery runs. That's the only thing keeping me sane.
 
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ISUTex said:
groupings of 10 or more people.
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What is considered a grouping? 10 people in the same building? The same room? The same sidewalk? 20 people working pretty spread out on a construction site is a lot different than 20 people working in a cubicle office space.
 
BCClone said:
Like others said, many of them were already closed, but now an official order is in place requiring it. Remember this is what this thread demanded so now the SIP discussion can end and other things can be talked about.
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There's nothing left to talk about!

"Well, there was 79 new cases and 3 deaths today. Thanks for coming to the thread everyone, we will reconvene at this time tomorrow."
 
BCClone said:
Like others said, many of them were already closed, but now an official order is in place requiring it. Remember this is what this thread demanded so now the SIP discussion can end and other things can be talked about.
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That's false. This order is still not in place. And frankly today's proclamation does nothing but prove wrong the people who said we were already doing an SIP by a different name.

She was asked directly why criteria for an SIP is needed if we're already effectively doing one and she fell back on the same talking points without answering.
 
Acylum said:
I hope I can still go on my therapeutic drives after my bi-weekly grocery runs. That's the only thing keeping me sane.
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I don't see how this can be enforced and is different than a full directive to close things.
 
dodged the last question of where she got the metrics from and names of doctors...
 
Said our metrics are basically the same as what Washington state does and pretty well aligned with the CDC. Although I remember people here before saying the CDC is bad information, so there is that.
 
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