***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

[bluestarcyclone]

The whole thing is foolish. Adding any schools right now would be a rash decision that I think would set in motion the death of the Big 12. I think the Big 12's best move is to stick with 10 members, consider a football championship game, and let the quality of its play continue to speak for itself in terms of contract negotiations. I think the ACC would be the next major conference to fall if any conference actually did. We might just keep playing on with five major conferences for decades.

*Other than conference championship game money, which is going to be possible for a 10-team Big 12 anyway.

I really dont see what the harm will be. If the cost to the remaining 10 schools is minimal, why not take a shot. Because its either that or the longer we dont grow the more likely that texas or oklahoma opt out of this arrangement when the grant of rights ends. So the choice is try to find someone now, while things are stable and you can actually grow a school, and hope it works out, or just stand pat, and keep pretending that OU and\or texas cant just opt out in 10 years.... and from Boren's comments OU doesnt seem pleased with the status quo.

I also find it very interesting that Bowlsby is now confirming that the tv contract would go up if additional members added. Thats almost exactly opposite of what theyve been claiming the last few years.

 

[Gonzo]

Its simple truth that the conference has practically no ties on the committee compared to others. Bias is human nature.

There was no bias. They got the four teams right. They had to give FSU a spot. Bama was obvious. Oregon was obvious. Ohio St. had the best resume among the final three. They had the same record as TCU and Baylor and a tougher SOS ranking at that time. I thought ISU fans loved SOS rankings. Big 12 fans are butthurt because their commish was an absolute idiot and completely got played, but even if "one true" Big 12 champion was named it would've been Baylor because of the head to head. And Baylor couldn't even beat the B1G's #3 team. Ohio St. beat the invincible Crimson Tide and walked through Oregon. They were clearly the best team in the nation and proved that the committee got it right.

 

[HFCS]

There was no bias. They got the four teams right. They had to give FSU a spot. Bama was obvious. Oregon was obvious. Ohio St. had the best resume among the final three. They had the same record as TCU and Baylor and a tougher SOS ranking at that time. I thought ISU fans loved SOS rankings. Big 12 fans are butthurt because their commish was an absolute idiot and completely got played, but even if "one true" Big 12 champion was named it would've been Baylor because of the head to head. And Baylor couldn't even beat the B1G's #3 team. Ohio St. beat the invincible Crimson Tide and walked through Oregon. They were clearly the best team in the nation and proved that the committee got it right.

Great. Let's permanently have one big ten member and 2 or 3 from every other conference.

It was a close call, you're mentally challenged if you don't think it's a disadvantage to have the least members with ties to your conference.

Tame your b1g bone and realize my post was about simple realities of life and not a slam on OSU.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

They had the same record as TCU and Baylor and a tougher SOS ranking at that time.

How you perform against your SOS matters and OSU lost to a bad team while TCU only lost to a top 10 team. They played the same number of p5 teams otherwise. OSU and TCU's SOS ratings were almost even (though that number can have distortions)

 

[Gonzo]

Great. Let's permanently have one big ten member and 2 or 3 from every other conference.

It was a close call, you're mentally challenged if you don't think it's a disadvantage to have the least members with ties to your conference.

Tame your b1g bone and realize my post was about simple realities of life and not a slam on OSU.

This isn't some small town city council meeting in the backwaters of Mississippi. There's just a little bit of a spotlight on these guys. If you really think they're going to blatantly screw someone over in the face of clear evidence that they should go the other way, under that kind of a microscope, you're kidding yourself.

There's no taming my bone.

Intrigued by your take on the realities of life. Blog?

 

[jbhtexas]

and from Boren's comments OU doesnt seem pleased with the status quo.

The only thing that is going to make OU happy is if they are regularly winning the conference FB title and playing in the college FB playoff.

 

[Gonzo]

Yup. And it was pretty damn clear they were just looking for any reason to get the picks they did. They had no desire to have a small audience team like TCU or Baylor in there and once they had an opportunity they took it. They used the championship game thing as their excuse, but they would have found another if the big 12 had that.

Why are you talking about TCU? They lost to Baylor, Baylor should have been the "one true champion." Baylor also lost to a WVU team that was no less sh*tty than Va Tech.

 

[CyFan61]

There was no bias. They got the four teams right. They had to give FSU a spot. Bama was obvious. Oregon was obvious. Ohio St. had the best resume among the final three. They had the same record as TCU and Baylor and a tougher SOS ranking at that time. I thought ISU fans loved SOS rankings. Big 12 fans are butthurt because their commish was an absolute idiot and completely got played, but even if "one true" Big 12 champion was named it would've been Baylor because of the head to head. And Baylor couldn't even beat the B1G's #3 team. Ohio St. beat the invincible Crimson Tide and walked through Oregon. They were clearly the best team in the nation and proved that the committee got it right.

Everything that is bolded is 100% irrelevant to determining who deserved to be in the playoff when the teams were chosen

I'm also not aware of a rule requiring a playoff team to be a conference champion. TCU was the most deserving team from the Big 12 and in my opinion more deserving than Ohio State at the time the teams were chosen

 

[jdoggivjc]

This isn't some small town city council meeting in the backwaters of Mississippi. There's just a little bit of a spotlight on these guys. If you really think they're going to blatantly screw someone over in the face of clear evidence that they should go the other way, under that kind of a microscope, you're kidding yourself.

There's no taming my bone.

Intrigued by your take on the realities of life. Blog?

You're right - it's representatives from conferences a hell of a lot greedier than small town city councils in the backwaters of Mississippi trying to figure out the best way (or, should I say, what benefits each of them the most) to split up $1 billion. And you think that the Big 12 wasn't going to get shafted when they didn't have equal representation in that conversation?

 

[HFCS]

Everything that is bolded is 100% irrelevant to determining who deserved to be in the playoff when the teams were chosen

Hey, I have his assurance that these committee members are infallible with no bias and that it's no big deal if some conferences consistently have much more influence on the committee than others. What kind of moron goes through this world thinking that? Maybe they got it right, it was very close looking at the resumes. If you're outnumbered 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 year after year you are bound to get screwed, that's just life.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

Why are you talking about TCU? They lost to Baylor, Baylor should have been the "one true champion." Baylor also lost to a WVU team that was no less sh*tty than Va Tech.

Because we're talking about resumes.

And between baylor and TCU, TCU had the better resume. Better SOS, and their loss (on the road, in a close loss to baylor) was much less damaging to their resume than a loss to WVU

 

[DFWClone]

IMO, the big12 breaking up is more likely than the big12 bringing in more teams.

 

[Gonzo]

You're right - it's representatives from conferences a hell of a lot greedier than small town city councils in the backwaters of Mississippi trying to figure out the best way (or, should I say, what benefits each of them the most) to split up $1 billion. And you think that the Big 12 wasn't going to get shafted when they didn't have equal representation in that conversation?

Because they didn't get shafted. OSU was the more deserving pick.

 

[Gonzo]

Because we're talking about resumes.

And between baylor and TCU, TCU had the better resume. Better SOS, and their loss (on the road, in a close loss to baylor) was much less damaging to their resume than a loss to WVU

Ha, right, there would've been no outcry whatsoever if TCU had been chosen over the team that shared a Big 12 title with them and just happened to beat them. Harmony.

 

[chuckd4735]

Because they didn't get shafted. OSU was the more deserving pick.

Thats your biased opinion. I disagree.

 

[HFCS]

Because they didn't get shafted. OSU was the more deserving pick.

It's fine for you to think OSU was more deserving, it was razor close by any metric. They proved themselves. TCU proved themselves in the best matchup they could scrounge up outside the playoff.

Where people will laugh at you is the idea that the makeup of the committee won't ever matter. You seem like you were born yesterday. I know you can't be that naive (can any adult be that naive?) and your B1G homerism is just blinding you.

Even if TCU didn't get screwed, if a league has no significant voice on the committee it is not a good thing, especially when the committee criteria changes on a daily basis apparently. It's the biggest sign to me that the Big 12 is in trouble, the $ situation and TV contracts are certainly working out well for now.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

Ha, right, there would've been no outcry whatsoever if TCU had been chosen over the team that shared a Big 12 title with them and just happened to beat them. Harmony.

There mightve been outcry but it wouldve been easily shot down. Shouldntve had a bad loss to WVU. Same with OSU- shouldntve had a bad loss to VT.

 

[isuno1fan]

Stay at 10 forever please.

Great setup.

 

[clonedog]

Would it be crazy for the NCAA to mandate the FBS to be a 128 team division (currently 124) and then require a league of 8 conferences with 16 teams, from states which are somehow adjacent to each other, in each conference? All 12 annual football games have to be played in September, October, and November. Each conference would have a championship game the first or second Saturday of December--4 games each Saturday. The eight conference champions would play on New Years Day in a mix of other bowl games played between Christmas and January 1. The four winning teams play on a Saturday after the New Years Day round, with the Championship game on a later January Saturday. This is a long lead up to the question of who would be in the Big 16 West Conference: (As opposed to the Big 16 East Conference comprised of the likes of Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Pennsylvania etc.)

MINNESOTA, IOWA, IOWA STATE, NEBRASKA, MISSOURI, KANSAS, KANSAS STATE, ARKANSAS; and OKLAHOMA, OKLAHOMA STATE, LOUISIANA STATE, TEXAS, TEXAS A.&M, BAYLOR, TEXAS TECH, TCU

 

[Gonzo]

It's fine for you to think OSU was more deserving, it was razor close by any metric. They proved themselves. TCU proved themselves in the best matchup they could scrounge up outside the playoff.

Where people will laugh at you is the idea that the makeup of the committee won't ever matter. You seem like you were born yesterday. I know you can't be that naive (can any adult be that naive?) and your B1G homerism is just blinding you.

Even if TCU didn't get screwed, if a league has no significant voice on the committee it is not a good thing, especially when the committee criteria changes on a daily basis apparently. It's the biggest sign to me that the Big 12 is in trouble, the $ situation and TV contracts are certainly working out well for now.

When the B1G sucks, I'm first in line saying how much they suck. When Iowa sucks, which has become the new norm, I'm the first in line to say how much they suck. We have a sh*tty coach. We have the worst P5 AD in the nation. Our MBB program is still working its way out of the abyss. Our football team is in a perpetual toilet swirl for the foreseeable future.

It's funny to be called a B1G homer when so many of you guys are never objective, can never say anything positive about the B1G, think the world is conspiring against you. Pretty laughable. Nobody outside of hardcore, conspiracy theorist Big 12 fans think the committee got it wrong.

But I'm the homer. Right.