When will Clone fans starting respecting UNI?

I'd say 3. Morgan, McDermott, and Hoiberg have all been owned by UNI with a solid 2-7 record over the last 9 years.

2003-04: 79-76 W
2004-05: 99-82 L
2005-06: 68-61 L
2006-07: 70-57 L
2007-08: 61-48 L
2008-09: 71-66 W
2009-10: 63-60 L
2010-11: 60-54 L
2011-12: 69-62 L


Ummmm......I know that Wayne Morgan is the anti-Christ due to fact the group think is so strong here that people flat make **** up. But you seem to have forgotten that Wayne beat them TWICE.

We won the game in 2006, not UNI.

As for the last 6 years....Thank you shrek for destroying a program you pos.
 
Several points to make:

Many Cyclone fans whose lives are ruined with hatred every time UNI beats ISU probably never picked up a basketball in their lives and couldn't make 5 out of 10 free throws if their lives depended on it. In other words, they don't know basketball very well, and they don't understand the current picture in American basketball. That picture is this: there are many, many good high school basketball players across the country and the midwest, more so than was probably the case 20 or 30 years ago. Kids start specializing in basketball when they're in diapers today, and elementary, middle school, rec programs are much more intensely managed and coached up these days. The result? Div. 1 colleges have a larger pool to recruit from. The rosters of the big schools cannot accommodate all of the really good players. And, the talent spread between a so-called 5 star recruit and and 4 or 3 star is not that vast. Hence, more parity.

It's also been proven time and time again that, save for Duke, UNC and small handful of iconic programs, the so-called high ratings assigned to recruiting classes by some mysterious all-knowing recruiting service don't mean squat. Some BCS school saying they've got the 19th rated recruiting class in the country is meaningless. Clones tend to get too caught up in this recruiting ranking charade. Look at Drake, claiming they have the best recruiting class in the MVC last year and maybe this year. I know they may have some coaching issues, but really, could such a claim be more worthless?

Many Clones are right: it starts with the coaching staff. Within that, the questions/issues are:

- Are they recruiting true winners? Guys with a refuse to lose mentality? Or are they recruiting purely physical or athletic specimens who are otherwise short on many intangibles that good coaches can spot?
- Continuity. Can a school and coach keep their players for four years? ISU cannot, at least during the past 7 or so years. That is the biggest determinant of ISU's problems, in my book. Too many guys bolting after a year or two, too much disruption in chemistry, cohesiveness and buy-in.

For me, give me 10 regional guys who were 2 or 3 star performers in high school , or maybe even off the radar, who have the requisite skill base that can be coached up, and let me keep them for four years vs. assembling a collection of transfers and NBA wannabes who have no real affinity for the university or playing a very defined role on a team, and doing it balls out each night.

I know people will say, yeah Purple that's all good, but we have to have superior athletes compared to UNI to compete in the Big XII vs. the little ol' MVC. Three responses: A) Where has that gotten you so far? B) Tell that to Butler, Wisconsin, VCU, etc. C) ISU's glory days? Hoiberg, Hornacek, etc. who played four years, were not blue chippers but became legends among the fandom for their overachieving, coachability and, at the end of the day, winning.

My overall point: Being in a BCS conference, especially in basketball with its wider parity compared to football, does not bestow some "entitlement" to beating the smaller foes. Size counts for something, but it's certainly not the be all/end all.
 
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Ummmm......I know that Wayne Morgan is the anti-Christ due to fact the group think is so strong here that people flat make **** up. But you seem to have forgotten that Wayne beat them TWICE.

We won the game in 2006, not UNI.

As for the last 6 years....Thank you shrek for destroying a program you pos.

I stand corrected. I can't read. And Wayne isn't the antichrist, but he was an awful coach.
 
Several points to make:

Many Cyclone fans whose lives are ruined with hatred every time UNI beats ISU probably never picked up a basketball in their lives and couldn't make 5 out of 10 free throws if their lives depended on it. In other words, they don't know basketball very well, and they don't understand the current picture in American basketball. That picture is this: there are many, many good high school basketball players across the country and the midwest, more so than was probably the case 20 or 30 years ago. Kids start specializing in basketball when they're in diapers today, and elementary, middle school, rec programs are much more intensely managed and coached up these days. The result? Div. 1 colleges have a larger pool to recruit from. The rosters of the big schools cannot accommodate all of the really good players. And, the talent spread between a so-called 5 star recruit and and 4 or 3 star is not that vast. Hence, more parity.

It's also been proven time and time again that, save for Duke, UNC and small handful of iconic programs, the so-called high ratings assigned to recruiting classes by some mysterious all-knowing recruiting service don't mean squat. Some BCS school saying they've got the 19th rated recruiting class in the country is meaningless. Clones tend to get too caught up in this recruiting ranking charade. Look at Drake, claiming they have the best recruiting class in the MVC last year and maybe this year. I know they may have some coaching issues, but really, could such a claim be more worthless?

Many Clones are right: it starts with the coaching staff. Within that, the questions/issues are:

- Are they recruiting true winners? Guys with a refuse to lose mentality? Or are they recruiting purely physical or athletic specimens who are otherwise short on many intangibles that good coaches can spot?
- Continuity. Can a school and coach keep their players for four years? ISU cannot, at least during the past 7 or so years. That is the biggest determinant of ISU's problems, in my book. Too many guys bolting after a year or two, too much disruption in chemistry, cohesiveness and buy-in.

For me, give me 10 regional guys who were 2 or 3 star performers in high school , or maybe even off the radar, who have the requisite skill base that can be coached up, and let me keep them for four years vs. assembling a collection of transfers and NBA wannabes who have no real affinity for the university or playing a very defined role on a team, and doing it balls out each night.

I know people will say, yeah Purple that's all good, but we have to have superior athletes compared to UNI to compete in the Big XII vs. the little ol' MVC. Three responses: A) Where has that gotten you so far? B) Tell that to Butler, Wisconsin, VCU, etc. C) ISU's glory days? Hoiberg, Hornacek, etc. who played four years, were not blue chippers but became legends among the fandom for their overachieving, coachability and, at the end of the day, winning.

My overall point: Being in a BCS conference, especially in basketball with its wider parity compared to football, does not bestow some "entitlement" to beating the smaller foes. Size counts for something, but it's certainly not the be all/end all.

Hate that I agree with a lot of this. I still have faith in Fred though he is just starting out in the coaching world.
 
I know people will say, yeah Purple that's all good, but we have to have superior athletes compared to UNI to compete in the Big XII vs. the little ol' MVC. Three responses: A) Where has that gotten you so far? B) Tell that to Butler, Wisconsin, VCU, etc. C) ISU's glory days? Hoiberg, Hornacek, etc. who played four years, were not blue chippers but became legends among the fandom for their overachieving, coachability and, at the end of the day, winning.

My overall point: Being in a BCS conference, especially in basketball with its wider parity compared to football, does not bestow some "entitlement" to beating the smaller foes. Size counts for something, but it's certainly not the be all/end all.

Um, you do need superior athletes to compete in the Big 12 vs the MVC. That's a great job of cherry picking two of the biggest cinderella stories of the decade. The reason the NCAA Tournament is dominated by big schools is because they're more talented. Is there occasionally an outlier? Yes. Does that mean it's a good formula for success? Hell no. And a Big 12 team should beat an MVC team period. Who was the last MVC champion who would've won the Big 12 the same year? There hasn't been one. Iowa State and it's resources should be able to overwhelm little brother in Cedar Falls.
 
Hate that I agree with a lot of this. I still have faith in Fred though he is just starting out in the coaching world.

I do too. Not being facetious, either. I love CFH and CPR. I still give kudos to J. Pollard for bringing Fred aboard. Quality, quality people. I think having coaches who have some legacy with the school can be powerful and adds some kind of extra dimension.

CPR is moving the earth in Ames, and, in time, Fred will too.
 
Several points to make:


Many Clones are right: it starts with the coaching staff. Within that, the questions/issues are:

- Are they recruiting true winners? Guys with a refuse to lose mentality? Or are they recruiting purely physical or athletic specimens who are otherwise short on many intangibles that good coaches can spot?
- Continuity. Can a school and coach keep their players for four years? ISU cannot, at least during the past 7 or so years. That is the biggest determinant of ISU's problems, in my book. Too many guys bolting after a year or two, too much disruption in chemistry, cohesiveness and buy-in.

For me, give me 10 regional guys who were 2 or 3 star performers in high school , or maybe even off the radar, who have the requisite skill base that can be coached up, and let me keep them for four years vs. assembling a collection of transfers and NBA wannabes who have no real affinity for the university or playing a very defined role on a team, and doing it balls out each night.

I know people will say, yeah Purple that's all good, but we have to have superior athletes compared to UNI to compete in the Big XII vs. the little ol' MVC. Three responses: A) Where has that gotten you so far? B) Tell that to Butler, Wisconsin, VCU, etc. C) ISU's glory days? Hoiberg, Hornacek, etc. who played four years, were not blue chippers but became legends among the fandom for their overachieving, coachability and, at the end of the day, winning.

I think the biggest thing in UNI's favor is continuity. Jacobson continued on what McDermott build. They know who they are, they have a particular style of play suited to their talent, and they execute their assignments very well. You can win a lot of games with that kind of heady play.

That said...

You might be able to win a lot of games in the MVC with that roster, but not in a major conference. You MUST have some athletes on your team to play lock-down defense, drive the lane, and rebound consistently. That's why you see so many proponents of that style of play (McDermott, Dana Altman, Todd Lickliter) flame out when they coach in a major conference.

Discipline and athleticism aren't mutally exclusive. Hoiberg can be successful, but it's going to take time. It's not that he inherited a team with BAD players...he inherited a team with NO players. With so many empty spots in the lineup, you have to find pieces wherever you can to even field a team.

Hoiberg and Hornacek were great players, but ISU's most successful TEAMS have been with great athletes (Fizer, Tinsley) playing in a system that best utilized what they could do.

If a team could consistently win a major conference based only on guys that play hard and love their university, then we'd all be looking up at Nebraska in the old Big 12.
 
I respect UNI, I just dont think ISU should be .500 against them the last 10 years.
 
Several points to make:

Many Cyclone fans whose lives are ruined with hatred every time UNI beats ISU probably never picked up a basketball in their lives and couldn't make 5 out of 10 free throws if their lives depended on it. In other words, they don't know basketball very well, and they don't understand the current picture in American basketball. That picture is this: there are many, many good high school basketball players across the country and the midwest, more so than was probably the case 20 or 30 years ago. Kids start specializing in basketball when they're in diapers today, and elementary, middle school, rec programs are much more intensely managed and coached up these days. The result? Div. 1 colleges have a larger pool to recruit from. The rosters of the big schools cannot accommodate all of the really good players. And, the talent spread between a so-called 5 star recruit and and 4 or 3 star is not that vast. Hence, more parity.

It's also been proven time and time again that, save for Duke, UNC and small handful of iconic programs, the so-called high ratings assigned to recruiting classes by some mysterious all-knowing recruiting service don't mean squat. Some BCS school saying they've got the 19th rated recruiting class in the country is meaningless. Clones tend to get too caught up in this recruiting ranking charade. Look at Drake, claiming they have the best recruiting class in the MVC last year and maybe this year. I know they may have some coaching issues, but really, could such a claim be more worthless?

Many Clones are right: it starts with the coaching staff. Within that, the questions/issues are:

- Are they recruiting true winners? Guys with a refuse to lose mentality? Or are they recruiting purely physical or athletic specimens who are otherwise short on many intangibles that good coaches can spot?
- Continuity. Can a school and coach keep their players for four years? ISU cannot, at least during the past 7 or so years. That is the biggest determinant of ISU's problems, in my book. Too many guys bolting after a year or two, too much disruption in chemistry, cohesiveness and buy-in.

For me, give me 10 regional guys who were 2 or 3 star performers in high school , or maybe even off the radar, who have the requisite skill base that can be coached up, and let me keep them for four years vs. assembling a collection of transfers and NBA wannabes who have no real affinity for the university or playing a very defined role on a team, and doing it balls out each night.

I know people will say, yeah Purple that's all good, but we have to have superior athletes compared to UNI to compete in the Big XII vs. the little ol' MVC. Three responses: A) Where has that gotten you so far? B) Tell that to Butler, Wisconsin, VCU, etc. C) ISU's glory days? Hoiberg, Hornacek, etc. who played four years, were not blue chippers but became legends among the fandom for their overachieving, coachability and, at the end of the day, winning.

My overall point: Being in a BCS conference, especially in basketball with its wider parity compared to football, does not bestow some "entitlement" to beating the smaller foes. Size counts for something, but it's certainly not the be all/end all.

Money/resources/facilities/fanbases/prestige/etc does count for something however. ISU should not be consistently (key word) losing to schools who have less in all those categories. We have not beat UNI in Hilton since 2003, and that is downright ******* embarrassing.
 
I hate UNI, I hate their fans, I hate their basketball team, I hate their football team. I don't care if "I should cheer for the instate team", their fans are douchebags. If we have "little brother syndrome" to Iowa, then UNI fans are on a whole different level to us. They have their decade of dominance, it'll be over with soon. Both of the bigger universities went through a tough spell and that allowed UNI to rise up. I think/hope both are getting back on their feet soon, so UNI shouldn't really dominate that much longer. To argue that they have a better program then us simply because we are down and they are up is ridiculous, yet I see so many UNI fans doing it. UNI is my least favorite team.:realmad:

Don't believe a thing a Cubs fan says about sports...
 
Grow a set of what? Wings? You would like a set of wings, Hok fan.

I clicked the last page with the full intention of reading this entire thread.....this absolutely terrible attempt at a burn ruined it for me.
 
Don't believe a thing a Cubs fan says about sports...
So let me get this straight. Isu fans are supposed to respect uni who is inferior to isu despite what their fanbase thinks, but other MLB teams don't have to respect the cubs who are on an equal foot with other MLB teams? Pretty hypocritical. Get your UNI boner out of here troll
 
I clicked the last page with the full intention of reading this entire thread.....this absolutely terrible attempt at a burn ruined it for me.

Your not missing anything. If you've been around UNI fans before that pretty much this thread. UNI is greater than or equal to ISU. Yup I get it
 
So let me get this straight. Isu fans are supposed to respect uni who is inferior to isu despite what their fanbase thinks, but other MLB teams don't have to respect the cubs who are on an equal foot with other MLB teams? Pretty hypocritical. Get your UNI boner out of here troll

So you know what hypocrite means? That surprises me, Hok.
 
Over the years, I've seen hundreds of Cyclone fans go out of their way to bash UNI on these boards (including that dope who wrote that embarrassing letter to the editor this fall in the DM Register). Basically, ISU fans seem to treat UNI like Iowa fans treat ISU (i.e. annoying/inferior stepbrother status).

After consistently beating ISU in basketball (5 out of the last 6), going to the NCAA tournament regularly (including a Sweet 16 appearance), and beating ISU in football on multiple occasions in the last decade, when will ISU fans start respecting UNI?


No, you haven't and no, they didn't.

One dip**** wrote a letter to the DMR, not a fanbase.

If you want an accurate assessment of ISU fans respect for UNI go to a UNI/ISU game and talk to the fans there.
 

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