This isn’t Prohms first year. He has been total **** on the road. Give him until after next season and if there isn’t a lot of improvement than part ways. He’s a good guy, but we need production.
Would TJ drop everything and take the ISU job if it came open?
- Thread starter Gunnerclone
- Start date
I think this is where we’re at. If he can show marked improvement this year and get back to the tourney by 22, I think he’s fine. More of the same, and it will be time to part ways.
14-13 conference record at Hilton over the last three years. 18 losses total at Hilton since the start of 2017-18. I’m not sure I’m would define 5-6 home losses a year as a “few.”
But you said he didn't get credit for the teams he did coach? So he gets no credit for anything at SDSU?
We're going to chuck a bunch of threes without any paint touches or effective ball movement to get the defense to sag off the shooters. Sprinkle in some Bolton YOLO coast to coast layups. Once that doesn't work we'll revert to the fetal position and drink heavily.
Ok, the last part is what I'll be doing on the couch.
Edit: Also, I appreciate this on a personal level as that's how my last name is consistently (mis)pronounced (should be bay-der)
Yeah, end of the day if you looked at any other coach in a P6 league and saw a 4 year stretch of "10th, 5th, 9th, and just lost to a midmajor at home and predicted to finish 8th-10th in the league", you'd think that coach is getting fired that year. And that's without considering what he was handed when he got here, which makes the current state that much more terrible- we'll likely have a 4 year stretch without an NCAA tournament win (3 of those not even in the tournament at all!), after a stretch where we'd won an NCAA tournament game in 4/5 years prior.
JP's history tells us he has a longer leash than most do, but for fans to be calling for it now isnt really out of the realm of what's normal. He honestly should have been fired last year when the future was apparent, and the longer we wait now, the deeper hole we'll have to dig out of.
Well you of all people should know that home courts are only worth 2-3 points, remember?
So I don't know what the big deal is. Am I happy with the results of many of the games.......no. And if they are playing this way come February, assuming they are playing then, I will get concerned. Next season they are still losing to teams like this in the same way you'll probably have no problem with me.
CycloneErik
Well-Known Member
Why? It cancels itself out.
Win at home, add a few on the road (like Fred), you have success.
Prohm loses here and away. That's the worst trade-off.
I had shiner cheer and spiked eggnog last night. Might as well make it festive
Well no.................he inherited most of that group from the previous coach.
The canned answer is no..........anyone could have done that with that easy draw and Fred's players.
Which is fair and I don’t believe he should get much credit for that either. It’s also fair to not give TJ credit for making the NCAA tourney with the previous coaches players.
No......no. I was being tongue in cheek on that. I believe CSP should get full blame for everything good and bad. Not just bad. Just making the point with T.J. I think he should be given every due coming to him whether he recruited the players or not. If he was coaching them.....it's his. Just making a point just like you.
So... at ISU, you'd say the same for Prohm? He has 1 first round bounce as a higher seed w/o Fred's guys. If you rated the last 10 ISU teams, teams comprised of the players he recruited would likely be rated 7,8,9,10.
Exactly. If Steve gets no credit for anything good with previous coaches players.....neither does T.J. I don't know where lies the confusion? T.J. did nothing great on his own at SDSU so I don't even know why we are even debating this issue. Debating the merits of two terrible coaches is like arguing whose fart smells best.
Because of what Johnny did, other coaches are held to a higher standard. Context matters.
Great job of twisting what I said. If you are talking about the MEAC or SWAC it is 2-3 for homecourt advantage. If you are talking Big 12 teams likely varies from 3 (TCU) to 6 (Kansas) with most teams being 4 or 4.5.
