Why all the doom and gloom?

[Pizzapitter]

I watched the Bears today.
Despite a poor performance by ISU yesterday, nothing resembling the Chicago debacle. Total collapse, both sides.
We complain about our oline.
Imagine being Caleb Williams!

 

[jctisu]

Being happy after a loss is a "loser mentality". I guarantee you there aren't any people okay with last night's performance in the football building today... and there shouldn't be.

I hate the thinking... "I'm thrilled being 7-1!". Especially when that 1 loss is to an average team that you were favored at home by 2 TDs and you gave the game away. Nobody should be fine with that. Just my worthless two cents.

Who the **** said they were happy after we lost aside from the handful of asshats on here that actually are more happy when we lose because they are miserable?

Nobody is happy we dropped a golden opportunity yesterday, but thankfully we have a good number of fans who are sane and realize **** happens, we lost, and everything is still in front of us. Does it mean we aren’t going to lose again? Nope. But until we can’t make the Big 12 title game all the chips are on the table.

We could lose this week and that basically ends it and if it happens, it happens. It means we weren’t actually good enough to be a title contender or CFP contender. Hell, we were near miracles against Iowa and UCF from being 5-2 heading into yesterday. We finally got bit. We aren’t and were never a team that was just better than anyone. We did a lot of the small things right to get to 7-0 and that’s why. Yesterday, we turned it over twice and had several just awful penalties yet still had a fourth down to stop Tech and win the game.

We are a good team. Just not good enough to roll the ball out and win. We need to play disciplined.

 

[jctisu]

When we win we’re great, everyone’s happy, as soon as we lose we’re terrible, not prepared, didn’t want it enough, not playing to win, coaches suck, Rocco sucks. A tale as old as time.

The Campellball people are surprisingly silent for the 7-0 start, but they were just waiting until something went wrong.

Preach!

 

[LAClone]

Who the **** said they were happy after we lost aside from the handful of asshats on here that actually are more happy when we lose because they are miserable?

Nobody is happy we dropped a golden opportunity yesterday, but thankfully we have a good number of fans who are sane and realize **** happens, we lost, and everything is still in front of us. Does it mean we aren’t going to lose again? Nope. But until we can’t make the Big 12 title game all the chips are on the table.

We could lose this week and that basically ends it and if it happens, it happens. It means we weren’t actually good enough to be a title contender or CFP contender. Hell, we were near miracles against Iowa and UCF from being 5-2 heading into yesterday. We finally got bit. We aren’t and were never a team that was just better than anyone. We did a lot of the small things right to get to 7-0 and that’s why. Yesterday, we turned it over twice and had several just awful penalties yet still had a fourth down to stop Tech and win the game.

We are a good team. Just not good enough to roll the ball out and win. We need to play disciplined.

We are a good team. And that’s why Saturday was so frustrating. The lack of discipline on the field was a problem, but it wasn’t the primary problem.

We have to have near-perfect play calling and clock/timeout management to succeed at the level our players have shown they can play at. Saturday wasn’t it.

 

[jctisu]

And here comes the flood of folks demanding that fans accept—and somehow be excited by—mediocrity.

7-1 is mediocrity now everyone. And of course you crawl out of your hole when you couldn’t for the first two months. You must suck so bad to be around.

 

[LAClone]

7-1 is mediocrity now everyone. And of course you crawl out of your hole when you couldn’t for the first two months. You must suck so bad to be around.

These players were capable of an undefeated regular season. They are capable of winning the Conference and earning a playoff spot. They’ve shown that.

The mistakes at the top that flushed a lot of that—and almost all of that—away on Saturday were just perplexing.

 

[jctisu]

We are a good team. And that’s why Saturday was so frustrating. The lack of discipline on the field was a problem, but it wasn’t the primary problem.

We have to have near-perfect play calling and clock/timeout management to succeed at the level our players have shown they can play at. Saturday wasn’t it.

We really don’t need to be near perfect play calling actually. We were amazing not committing penalties up until yesterday. Two penalties alone cost us the game with the hands to the face and the false start on the goal line. Of course execution needs to get better without a doubt. Rocco is missing some throws that he needs to make and receivers need to catch the ball. But yesterday’s game is entirely different if those two penalties alone aren’t committed. In fact we win by double digits most likely.

 

[jctisu]

These players were capable of an undefeated regular season. They are capable of winning the Conference and earning a playoff spot. They’ve shown that.

The mistakes at the top that flushed a lot of that—and almost all of that—away on Saturday were just perplexing.

Many teams waaaayyy more talented than us have the ability to unbeaten and virtually none of them do. If anyone actually believed we would go 12-0 that’s on you. Did we have the chance? Hell yes we did. But the odds and probability when you put the final five games together said otherwise.

 

[aeroclone]

Step away from the edge . . . . obey all signs.

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[Cloned4Life]

Frankly, that’s nuts dude. Is your Mom’s livelihood dependent on if the team wins or loses? I’m going to guess there are literally 0 repercussions on your Mom, you or most of any of our day to day lives of the Cyclones win or lose.

This is the type of **** thinking that gets schools like Auburn and A&M and Texas and that ilk into the years of dreck they went through.

Sigh

No, you’re right. There are 0 repercussions for most fans when their Teams win or lose (Edit: unless you’re a better I suppose). Yet for whatever reason, this crazy thing called sports has been and will continue to be a multibillion dollar industry that really matters - for some silly reason - to many, many people.

 

[nfrine]

You have found it...CF...

 

[stewart092284]

We played not great against UCF so there is reason for some minor concern.

But what team doesn’t have minor concerns right now? 8 total?

I'd say we haven't played well since... Baylor? Cause West Virginia, yeah, we won by 12 but it wasn't a great start, and we kinda played around a little bit. Heck, we even did that versus Baylor but just closed very strong.

That's my reason for concern. Is that 8 weeks in, this team hasn't been able to shake the sluggish starts, both on offense and defense. Logically I knew that was going to come back at some point and bite us... I just thought it would come in a game where we lost 35-14 cause we couldn't ever catch back up, not in a game where we had every opportunity to win.


But yes, the silver lining is, I'd say there's only 1 team nationally I feel is a "great" team. That'd be Oregon. Georgia? Insanely talented, but man, they look crazy average for long stretches versus Florida, Kentucky, etc.
Same with Texas. Ohio State? Uber talented, and maybe just sleep walking, but they don't look great versus Nebraska etc.


Also, maybe I'm a horrible fan, but I would have taken a win against Tech and a loss to Kansas. All I wanted, was to finally get to 8-0. Anything after that woulda been gravy.

But in a way, the frustration also is a by product of success. When you start 7-0, 9-3 or even 10-2 doesn't look as great as it did when you were 0-0 because it means you went 3-2 or 2-3 down the stretch. So its kinda of a situation where success makes failure sting more than it once would have

 

[Thomasrickj]

This loss hurts more than flat out getting beat by the opponent. Two touchdown favorites, and we had multiple interceptions, so many chances, and just flat out squandered them. Burkle fumbling the ball was the one that stung the worst. I think it was 3rd and 10 and we called a keeper from Rocco had left ISU fans wondering what on earth this coaching squad was thinking. Instead of losing this game, it feels like we beat ourselves due to horrible play calling and offense being off. For about an hour or two after the game I was down pretty bad, but as soon as the purple kitties lost it gave me a little bit of hope. This team has a lot of things to work on and needs to be sharp heading into Arrowhead this weekend. I trust that Campbell and staff will make adjustments, but now there is zero room for error. Colorado is good and doesn't have a very tough schedule ahead of them. One more loss could put us out of the Big 12 championship. After games like this one, it's a good way to test and see what this staff and team are capable of following a painful loss. Time to see what these guys are made of.

 

[madguy30]

These players were capable of an undefeated regular . They are capable of winning the Conference and earning a playoff spot. They’ve shown that.

The mistakes at the top that flushed a lot of that—and almost all of that—away on Saturday were just perplexing.

How have they shown that?

They haven't beaten anyone all that good and had to get some breaks to get to the 7-0 start.

That would have to continue for them to have a remote shot at going undefeated.

You actually expected that?

 

[stewart092284]

What team doesn’t choke?

A lot? Many teams lose... not many teams lose a game 5-6 times.

I don't think we choked - though I do think that the pressure did clearly effect the team. Maybe even the coaches. Which is normal.

But a team that was 7-0, or like A&M, getting whipped by South Carolina, to me, is different. Because they just got beat. South Carolina was just better.

And its not a scenario where 1-2 plays were there - that happens all the time, to your point.


Not too many teams have, 5, 6, 7, opportunities to win a game they shouldn't and don't. Burkle's fumble, the 1st and goal at the 1, hands to the face, 4th and 7, etc... like, the law of averages says one of those things would go the other way than what it did and we probably then win. So that makes Saturday's result slightly unique because generally, when you do as many things wrong as Iowa State did Saturday, you a** gets taken to the woodshed .


Then it comes to your mindset.

Is it a sign of good that Iowa State is that good to play that bad and lose only by 1 to a pretty decent Tech team? Or is it the sky is falling because we lost as the pressure was rising?

IDK. Time will tell. But Saturday was a very unique result because usually with the multitude of mistakes made, you either get steam rolled off the field, OR , manage to win the game. Very rarely does a team do as much wrong and then still manage to lose close.

 

[stewart092284]

How have they shown that?

They haven't beaten anyone all that good and had to get some breaks to get to the 7-0 start.

That would have to continue for them to have a remote shot at going undefeated.

You actually expected that?

Yes and no.

Iowa, not bad.
Baylor is showing to be, not bad.
Houston is coming on strong and just beat K-State.
West Virginia, while not great, has 1 loss to teams that coming into Saturday weren't undefeated or have only 1 loss.


With Utah as a dumpster fire, Kansas a near dumpster fire, and everyone else at home... yeah.

Going 12-0 wasn't as insane as it normally would have been.

Hard to do? Very. But again, given the scenario's of the teams we had on the schedule, where the games were being played... it was not a crazy idea

 

[madguy30]

Yes and no.

Iowa, not bad.
Baylor is showing to be, not bad.
Houston is coming on strong and just beat K-State.
West Virginia, while not great, has 1 loss to teams that coming into Saturday weren't undefeated or have only 1 loss.


With Utah as a dumpster fire, Kansas a near dumpster fire, and everyone else at home... yeah.

Going 12-0 wasn't as insane as it normally would have been.

Hard to do? Very. But again, given the scenario's of the teams we had on the schedule, where the games were being played... it was not a crazy idea

So they haven't beaten anyone good and barely won 2 of those. Got it.

That includes not losing any fumbles and having very few penalties.

And KU is not near a dumpster fire. People are going to be awfully dissapointed if they think KU '13 is rolling out there Saturday.

ISU is good, not great, and with injuries and just the way a football season goes, just expecting an undefeated slate means they weren't paying attention.

 

[stewart092284]

So they haven't beaten anyone good and barely won 2 of those. Got it.

That includes not losing any fumbles and having very few penalties.

And KU is not near a dumpster fire. People are going to be awfully dissapointed if they think KU '13 is rolling out there Saturday.

ISU is good, not great, and with injuries and just the way a football season goes, just expecting an undefeated slate means they weren't paying attention.

Kansas is 2-6. They are actually closer to missing a bowl game than Utah is.

They lost to West Virginia, who according to you - is not good.

They have lost to

TCU (Not good)
Illinois (Average)
West Virginia (According to you, again, not good)
Arizona State (Average?)
K State (Good not great)
UNLV (Good).

They literally have 1 win against FBS.

Are they 2013 bad? No. But yes, they are very near a dumpster fire.


Iowa State
BYU
Colorado
Baylor


No way in hell they make a bowl game. Realistically, best case they are 4-8.

Utah in theory, can still make a bowl game, though their schedule is also very difficult. But since they already have 4 wins, a 2-2 close gets them there. So they have far more to play for.

 

[madguy30]

Kansas is 2-6. They are actually closer to missing a bowl game than Utah is.

They lost to West Virginia, who according to you - is not good.

They have lost to

TCU (Not good)
Illinois (Average)
West Virginia (According to you, again, not good)
Arizona State (Average?)
K State (Good not great)
UNLV (Good).

They literally have 1 win against FBS.

Are they 2013 bad? No. But yes, they are very near a dumpster fire.


Iowa State
BYU
Colorado
Baylor


No way in hell they make a bowl game. Realistically, best case they are 4-8.

Utah in theory, can still make a bowl game, though their schedule is also very difficult. But since they already have 4 wins, a 2-2 close gets them there. So they have far more to play for.

KU losing close games and getting traction lately including pasting Houston and being very close to beating KSU puts them far above dumpster fire level. Don't care about the record.

 

[stewart092284]

KU losing close games and getting traction lately including pasting Houston and being very close to beating KSU puts them far above dumpster fire level. Don't care about the record.

So, 1 - K-State is a rivalry game. Almost nothing matters in those. Which is why Utah, despite being a fellow dumpster, could very easily beat BYU. Arizona could trip up Tech. Rivalry games, very little matters.

Also, Kansas was desperate. A win there gives them both bragging rights, but also gives them a little wiggle room to get to a bowl, that's gone.

Also, when you are constantly losing close games (see Iowa State 2022, Nebraska under Scott Frost) that means nothing. In fact, I'd argue, it means there is something wrong either with cultural or somewhere because you keep finding ways to lose.

So yes. That makes you a dumpster. Because you might not be losing 77-0... but you are continuing to find ways to lose games. You keep imploding. And for one of the most experienced rosters in CFB, that's a bad thing. A very bad thing, You have a very veteran team that is staring down the abysss of not even making a bowl game...

yes. they are very close to it blowing up spectacularly.

Could they win Saturday? 100%. But if they have a couple early turnovers, or we actually get off to a good start and they fall down big early... yeah, they're primed for a match to be lit on the gasoline they've been slowly leaking all season


Also, admittedly, I'm having a hard time understanding the reasoning.

Iowa State is not great because it's played no one and almost lost a couple games along the way... but yet Kansas, who has also played no one... they are trending positive because they keep losing close games?

I don't expect Iowa State to win 48-7. I expect a close game. Because that's what both Iowa State and Kansas do. But presuming Iowa State wins...

I think Kansas is at real risk of going 2-10 and being a dumpster fire once all hope is gone. Iowa State literally can play the role of match to gasoline on Saturday