Not sure what the numbers mean? What I hear from CF is they want to be in the NCAA's most years. 68 teams are chosen. I guess that would put us in the 50-70. ON the other hand, if this is by age group, then I choose 70+
What type of program is Iowa State
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The question isn’t so much about what the results have been. It is about what the expectations of the program are. KSU is on the high end of the 25-35 segment. We are on the low end of the 10-25 segment.
Not sure how anyone could disagree with this statement. But apparently someone does.
Still unclear. “What kind of program we are” seems very different than “where are our expectations for a program.” One speaks to performance, the other to aspirations.
I rate us 25-35 in performance, 10-25 in current fan expectations. The program has a good ways to go before anyone can have realistic top 10 expectations, if ever.
The point I’m trying to make is we’ve been arguing over whether we are meeting expectations and we don’t seem to have a consensus on the expectations. Those defending Prohm seem to be in the low end of 25-35 range. Those attacking Prohm seem to think we should be expecting the 10-25 range. I think it is important to highlight that those criticizing Prohm don’t hate him. They just have higher expectations. Those defending Prohm just don’t have as high of expectations. There is a habit of talking past each other and not really debating the merits of the argument.
4 regular season ACC titles in the last six years. Multiple Sweet 16 and an Elite 8. Their body of work in the last 6 seasons makes them a “purple blood” despite their performance in the NCAA tournament IMO.
In terms of what their fans can reasonably expect - yes.
They go in every year expecting to be in the final four with a decent shot at a title and have the recruiting pedigree to match. They lost in the final four last year to Villanova and in the Regoinal Finals each of the preceding two years, once again to eventual champion Villanova. Only Villanova can beat that performance over the last three years. Even the three years prior to that when they didn't make it to the Elite Eight they were no lower than a two seed. They haven't lost a first round NCCA game since 2005-06.
If only we could get such mediocrity.
I would LOVE to see us replace them as the top program in the Big 12 and believe it is fair to expect us to be clearly one of the top two programs in the league every year. My mental model is Michigan State or Michigan. Always at the top of the league standings. Occasional Title aspirations. Doing so may knock Kansas down a notch, which would be awesome.
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1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. SEC
4. Big East
5. American Athletic
6. Atlantic 10 (basketball)
7. WCC (Gonzaga pulls them up a ton)
8. Missouri Valley (a training ground for aspiring Power-6 schools)
9. Pac 12
10. Big 10
Kansas and UCLA are both Blue Blood programs that are holding onto that title precariously
This was kind of a rebuilding year for Kansas to be honest. They beat Tenn and MSU, finished 3rd in the Big 12 and had a 4 seed in the NCAA.
They're a Blue Blood even though I feel dirty saying it.
These are the "Blue Bloods"
Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Kansas
UCLA
Teams like Mich St, UCONN, Villanova etc are close, but they're not Blue Bloods like those five are.
