Way too early starting lineup talk for the 23-24 season

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ClonerJams

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Impatiently waiting to see what happens in the portal, and already excited and wanting to talk about next year. My prediction today for starting lineup by Big 12 play is:
PG - Lipsey
SG - Transfer
SF - Momcilovic
PF - Biliew
C - King

Backup PG - Williams
Backup SG - Watson/Hamilton
Backup SF - Watson
Backup PF - Ward/Fish
Backup C - Jones/Ward

Momcilovic is too skilled offensively to not start, but he probably wont at the beginning of the year.

King at ony 6'7 playing the 5 could be interesting, but he's a junkyard dog and very capable.
 

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If we don't get a center, King to the 5 and Momcilovic starts at the 4. It's splitting hairs but Omaha needs to be the guy guarding a 3.

Milan is going to be a 25 or so minute guy whether he starts or not.
Yeah I'd be concerned with Milan guarding other teams 4's with his slight build, but it probably does make more sense for Omaha to guard the 3.
 

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Yeah I'd be concerned with Milan guarding other teams 4's with his slight build, but it probably does make more sense for Omaha to guard the 3.
Agree, that's why we need a good 5. King or our center can guard the more physical guy while Milan can match-up with the stretch. Rare to see a physical guy at both positions.
 
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Starter, rotation

PG- Lipsey, J. Williams, Hamilton

G- Transfer, Transfer, J. Williams, Hamilton

F- Biliew, Watson, Momcilovic

F- T. King, Momcilovic, Fish

F- Transfer, Ward, Jones

I'd argue with this finding more minutes for Momcilovic somehow
 
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I won't be surprised if we at least open the year with three guards starting: Lipsey, Williams, and a transfer. Since he got here TJ seems to prefer a PG and two shooters on the perimeter.
Of course, that's been partly out of necessity. With the talented wing players we'll have maybe he'll be more comfortable starting a traditional 1-5 next year.
 

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I won't be surprised if we at least open the year with three guards starting: Lipsey, Williams, and a transfer. Since he got here TJ seems to prefer a PG and two shooters on the perimeter.
Of course, that's been partly out of necessity. With the talented wing players we'll have maybe he'll be more comfortable starting a traditional 1-5 next year.
Omaha is a better shooter than either PG.
 

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PG- Lipsey
SG- Transfer
SF- Omaha/Tre
PF- Tre/Omaha/Milan
C- Transfer
Demarion
Rob
Jeremiah
Transfer guard/wing
Jelani
Kayden
Hasan?

Not sure about the foward spots. I could see Omaha at small and tre at PF, or Tre at Small and Omaha at power, or even Omaha at SF and Milan at PF. Also could see a small ball line up with all 3 out at once or maybe something like Tamin,Transfer,Demarion,Omaha,Tre. A lot of variables to account for but I could see multiple scenarios
 

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Omaha is a better shooter than either PG.
Even if he has no issues adjusting to the higher level, I guess my bigger point is that if he'd been on this year's team, we still would have started Lipsey, Holmes, and Kalscheur (along with Omaha and one of the bigs). I could definitely see us doing that again.
 

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Even if he has no issues adjusting to the higher level, I guess my bigger point is that if he'd been on this year's team, we still would have started Lipsey, Holmes, and Kalscheur (along with Omaha and one of the bigs). I could definitely see us doing that again.
I feel TJ went with that lineup because that put the best shooters on the court. At the start of the year Grill was our starter and Kalscheur came off the bench.

I would expect the direction TJ goes with starters will be based on who ISU signs in the transfer portal. Do we get an offensively skilled starting center? Or are the best players we sign guards.

I feel Biliew is going to start, so the question is what spot on the court can he have the most success on the defensive side of the ball- in the paint or on the perimeter? I would expect TJ and staff won't know until next fall's camp. I expect:

Lipsey/Williams
Transfer/Williams/Hamilton
Biliew/Watson/Tfr (3 point specialist)
King/Momcilovic/Fish
Transfer/Jones/Ward

I've seen people list Momcilovic at the 3. The little I've seen of him, he has a good handle for a 6'9" kid, but not sure he's Big12 ready as a dribble/drive threat.
 

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I have to think a long player who can shoot like Milan appears to be able to would have got major minutes this year if not starting.

At some point you have to baptize young players by fire on defense to get their offense on the floor. Happens all the time with NBA rookies.
 

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I've seen people list Momcilovic at the 3. The little I've seen of him, he has a good handle for a 6'9" kid, but not sure he's Big12 ready as a dribble/drive threat.

I wouldn't mind just a 3&D player if his all around game needs to develop. After being 1-19 late in our NCAA tournament game I'd settle for the 3 without the defense. I have to think 6'9" wing player can cover up for some mistakes on defense as opposed to a shorter player.
 

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Even if he has no issues adjusting to the higher level, I guess my bigger point is that if he'd been on this year's team, we still would have started Lipsey, Holmes, and Kalscheur (along with Omaha and one of the bigs). I could definitely see us doing that again.
I guess it depends on the handle of the SG we get. I'd much rather have more bigs since that will be our best depth. Williams, Lipsey together seems like an issue. At best next year they'll be average long range shooters. I'd rather see Biliew, King and Momcilovic get more minutes.

It's possible Lipsey, Williams and a transfer end up as a 3 man rotation at one and two but I think it's more likely we add two SGs and they end up in a 3 man rotation at the 2 and 3 with Biliew.
 

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This off-season will be fascinating in a lot of ways, but I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with Jones-Ward-King if they all come back. Jones is the most proven, and in a Michael Jacobsen way he might play better when surrounded by more offensively gifted guys that let him focus on glue work. I feel like we only saw glimpses of what King can do. I think there's a world in which we see him have a Deonte Burton-like jump from the mid-year start to year 2. I'm just not sure how often we can play him as a small ball 5 in the B12, and he'd be fighting with Biliew/Momcilovic for minutes at the 4. I'm fascinated by Ward's athleticism. There's some Cam Lard in him, without the knuckleheadedness hopefully.

Also, worth pointing out all three of those guys will be going into their 5th year. If we do pick up another big in the portal, hopefully he has a couple of years left because otherwise we're starting from scratch next year.
 

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Lipsey
Williams
Billiew
King
BRE or Ward or Xfer

I think that’s how we start the year. I think the most potent lineup will be King at the 5 with Milan and Omaha playing the forward spots. I’ll be really curious to see how well Lipsey and Williams shoot from outside.
 

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I wouldn't mind just a 3&D player if his all around game needs to develop. After being 1-19 late in our NCAA tournament game I'd settle for the 3 without the defense. I have to think 6'9" wing player can cover up for some mistakes on defense as opposed to a shorter player.
Feel like we can still get his shooting by playing him at the 4 as a spot up 3 point shooter. Then have the guards and Biliew be threats off dribble or spot up shooters.

I hope Momcilovic can fill the Kunc role, but a more skilled facilitating the half court offense.
 

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Lipsey
Williams
Billiew
King
BRE or Ward or Xfer

I think that’s how we start the year. I think the most potent lineup will be King at the 5 with Milan and Omaha playing the forward spots. I’ll be really curious to see how well Lipsey and Williams shoot from outside.

Lipsey and Williams will not shoot it well. Can pretty much count on that.

Offense will not be our strong suit again at all.
 

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Lipsey
Williams
Billiew
King
BRE or Ward or Xfer

I think that’s how we start the year. I think the most potent lineup will be King at the 5 with Milan and Omaha playing the forward spots. I’ll be really curious to see how well Lipsey and Williams shoot from outside.

Agree with this with the caveat that we are going to get a transfer at some position (not sure which but doesn’t matter) that will be instant starting material.