I'm sorry, Norv Turner gets a seat at the table of this discussion. The guy has done even less than Marty Schottenheimer, the guy who he replaced. Not to mention, when Tony Dungy was critiquing Turner and the Chargers last week, Turner's only defense was "Yeah? How about those 6 picks that Manning threw against us? Or how about that TD return our guy has against you?" as if this somehow is supposed to discredit Dungy's expert opinion. Wanna know my opinion, Turner? Dungy has something on his ring finger that you don't have - a Super Bowl Championship ring. Perhaps he should have more than the one he has, but the one he has is more than you'll ever have. So, as far as I'm concerned, Turner can have "fun" with those 6 pick-offs of Peyton Manning and and the 1 kickoff return for a TD. Because those "accomplishments" don't make you a better coach than Dungy, and his criticism of the Chargers and his coaching still remains valid.