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KennyPratt42

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Car people. I'm looking at a few different older luxury cars. A 2011 Lincoln MKZ and a 2015 Infiniti QX60.

The Lincoln people have said the water pump is a concern. The Infiniti people have said the CVT Transmission is a concern.

Would you stay away from these models?
If it was me I would buy a 2011 Lexus ES350 for an additional $3,000 to $5,000 over the price of a comparable MKZ. At coming up on 15 years old it would likely be worth the extra money for the better reliability. But anything in that age range, regardless of manufacturer, make sure to get it inspected by a mechanic (not associated with the seller). An individual car in that age range can vary quite a bit from the average reliability of its particular model and year.
 

motorcy90

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Car people. I'm looking at a few different older luxury cars. A 2011 Lincoln MKZ and a 2015 Infiniti QX60.

The Lincoln people have said the water pump is a concern. The Infiniti people have said the CVT Transmission is a concern.

Would you stay away from these models?
well if they are similarly priced it tells you what you need to know already.
 

kirk89gt

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Car people. I'm looking at a few different older luxury cars. A 2011 Lincoln MKZ and a 2015 Infiniti QX60.

The Lincoln people have said the water pump is a concern. The Infiniti people have said the CVT Transmission is a concern.

Would you stay away from these models?
I would stay away from the Ford variations with the internal water pumps. For the life of me I don’t understand why they would put a water pump sealed inside the oil side of the motor. If memory serves, the tell tale weep hole is tucked out of the way and that makes it hard to tell, or see, if your water pump is leaking, even for the conscientious owner. Seal goes out, unbeknownst to the owner, oil and coolant mix……game over.
 
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Not exactly sure.
I didn't have a Lincoln with the Cyclone engine, but my Flex did.

Can confirm the cost to repair/replace the water pump "totaled*" out the vehicle (2013) when it went out last spring.

(*Wasn't truly totaled, but was close, like within $1500 and I'm not convinced and couldn't be assured coolant hadn't leaked into my engine when the dealership misdiagnosed the repair as an issue with my rear heater core and not a faulty water pump)

I'm convinced the design was intended to drive service department revenue for Ford.
Wow, I was going to say just a water pump wouldn’t be bad. A couple hundred bucks for the pump and a couple hundred to replace usually. I was going to be way off on that one.
 

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Wow, I was going to say just a water pump wouldn’t be bad. A couple hundred bucks for the pump and a couple hundred to replace usually. I was going to be way off on that one.
I'm not very "self sufficient" when it comes to vehicle repairs. My undstanding was the parts are affordable, it's the labor to "tear appart" the engine to access the pump that gets you.
 

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Not exactly sure.
I'm not very "self sufficient" when it comes to vehicle repairs. My undstanding was the parts are affordable, it's the labor to "tear appart" the engine to access the pump that gets you.
I had never heard of an internal water pump. Don’t understand the reason for one. That’s the issue. Otherwise they’re somewhat easy to change on other vehicles.
 
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motorcy90

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30k miles in 7 years is crazy. No wonder it looks good still.
yeah considering I did 30k in the Buick just last year after a job change, but I also travel around central Iowa for work a lot but now have a company vehicle for it.
 

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Car people. I'm looking at a few different older luxury cars. A 2011 Lincoln MKZ and a 2015 Infiniti QX60.

The Lincoln people have said the water pump is a concern. The Infiniti people have said the CVT Transmission is a concern.

Would you stay away from these models?
Run away from that MKZ. I had a 2011 MKZ **** out on me in the hood in DC on a side trip after the Pinstripe bowl. It wasn't a real enjoyable experience to say the least. Could be a one off but I've heard enough horror stories from that era engine that there seems to be smoke there. Had 15k on it at the time. They took care of me, but those engines seemed to be trash.
 
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Do I just need to stay within the Toyota or Honda families for reliability on a used car?
 

CascadeClone

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Do I just need to stay within the Toyota or Honda families for reliability on a used car?
You will almost always be safe with those. But there are others that are right up there. It gets a lot more model-specific though.

Consumer Reports isn't as good as it used to be for data on models and years, but it is still pretty good.
 

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