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LivntheCyLife

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Does anyone think the Big 10 is done poaching from the P12? Are USC and UCLA going to travel 2,000 miles for their conference road games? I guess West Virginia has handled the travel okay. I just thought USC would have demanded more partners to bring along with them.

Yeah, I'm really curious what USC and UCLA was told by the Big 10 and if just the two of them is what they signed off on as the plan. But I guess it's also true that Seattle is not that much closer to LA than Lincoln or Iowa City.
 
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That’s dumb. Clemson is a national brand.
They are a national brand because they've been one of the top 3 programs in the country for a decade. Yet despite getting great TV slots and networks, they are sandwiched between Ole Miss and Iowa in viewership last year.

There are two components to media value - how many people watch and getting into markets to get passive cable/sat dollars. SEC already is in that market, so there's zero for the latter. In terms of the former, they simply don't perform that well.

That's being one of the best programs in the country. Then consider that prior to their current run under Dabo they went 20 years without a double-digit win season.

So a top 3 program that gets primo TV slots that doesn't do great on TV, and brings them no new media markets. I'm sure there's a concern to that Dabo's been there 15 years, and does he want to jump to the NFL? If he does and they go back to being an 8 win type of program what happens to their TV value?

I still say they bring good value to the SEC and they would love to have Clemson. But they are not as valuable in media as their on the field success suggests they should be.
 
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Ken Miller on KXNO was on earlier and he is now believing the PAC 12 and ACC are forming something and the the Big12 is going to be left out. Thoughts? Just because the Big12 isn’t publicly saying anything doesn’t mean nothing is in the works.
If they are forming something temporary, it is a bandaid at best, prolonging the inevitable. If they are forming something permanent, I don't think the math will work out in making it more lucrative than entering the Big 12 as a new member.
 
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I'm sure a PAC with USC was always the preference, but that doesn't exist any more.

Sure. I guess I could put it this way - how has T. Boone Pickens' money at OSU helped the Big 12? It really hasn't done anything. Again, we're talking massive hypotheticals here.

If Oregon buys it's way into the Big 10, them accepting much less money than the other schools in the conference, and Phil Knight floating 500 million to 1 billion dollars to do so, I think that's again good for us. That's destabilizing.
 

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I mean that’s possible. If that’s the direction they are willing to go the PAC and Big 12 will both have no option.

What stopped him from doing it until now? He could have done that at any point.
It’s added risk he/Nike don’t have to deal with now. He could do it, but it’s risky and does he really need/want to take on that risk?
 

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They are a national brand because they've been one of the top 3 programs in the country for a decade. Yet despite getting great TV slots and networks, they are sandwiched between Ole Miss and Iowa in viewership last year.

There are two components to media value - how many people watch and getting into markets to get passive cable/sat dollars. SEC already is in that market, so there's zero for the latter. In terms of the former, they simply don't perform that well.

That's being one of the best programs in the country. Then consider that prior to their current run under Dabo they went 20 years without a double-digit win season.

So a top 3 program that gets primo TV slots that doesn't do great on TV, and brings them no new media markets. I'm sure there's a concern to that Dabo's been there 15 years, and does he want to jump to the NFL? If he does and they go back to being an 8 win type of program what happens to their TV value?

I still say they bring good value to the SEC and they would love to have Clemson. But they are not as valuable in media as their on the field success suggests they should be.

Tons of good branding and marketing potential for the SEC adding Clemson. SEC would then have the past 7 national champions in their conference. Big 10 major little brother even in a Big 2 any way you slice it though.
 

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If they are forming something temporary, it is a bandaid at best, prolonging the inevitable. If they are forming something permanent, I don't think the math will work out in making it more lucrative than entering the Big 12 as a new member.

The PAC 12 without USC is like the Big 10 without tOSU. They ARE that league. But 75% of the media seemingly has blocked out that USC isn’t a chip for the PAC 12 any longer.
 
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Ken Miller on KXNO was on earlier and he is now believing the PAC 12 and ACC are forming something and the the Big12 is going to be left out. Thoughts? Just because the Big12 isn’t publicly saying anything doesn’t mean nothing is in the works.
Sounded like some small-potatoes TV deal, along with an inter-conference championship in Las Vegas that is little different from an ordinary bowl game (except perhaps that it would be played before CFP selection rather than after). It may or may not delay the inevitable, but that's all it will do. The Big 12 losing its bluebloods first was a blessing in disguise.
 

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Ken Miller on KXNO was on earlier and he is now believing the PAC 12 and ACC are forming something and the the Big12 is going to be left out. Thoughts? Just because the Big12 isn’t publicly saying anything doesn’t mean nothing is in the works.

I've got some reading to catch up on, but if I had to summarize the forming consensus I'm seeing among CFB writers who are not dipshits, it's something along the lines of this tweet.

Sounds like there's plenty of warranted skepticism over whether it can work in the short term, let alone the long term.

 

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Sure. I guess I could put it this way - how has T. Boone Pickens' money at OSU helped the Big 12? It really hasn't done anything. Again, we're talking massive hypotheticals here.

If Oregon buys it's way into the Big 10, them accepting much less money than the other schools in the conference, and Phil Knight floating 500 million to 1 billion dollars to do so, I think that's again good for us. That's destabilizing.
Pickens' money didn't help the conference because it didn't reduce media payout to OSU. Maybe there are indirect ways it helped the rest of the league, but nothing direct.

The point is Knight could buy Oregon into the Big 10 or SEC if he's motivated enough to do so. However, there comes a point where he and Oregon would have to decide if it's worth it. To me that would only be if they see the Big 12 being excluded from the playoff. Otherwise, who cares about the lower Big 12 media dollars if you don't get a full share of Big 10/SEC dollars anyway.
 

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I've got some reading to catch up on, but if I had to summarize the forming consensus I'm seeing among CFB writers who are not dipshits, it's something along the lines of this tweet.

Sounds like there's plenty of warranted skepticism over whether it can work in the short term, let alone the long term.



We’ve all been here before. The Hail Mary stage. Don’t know why the PAC-10 current situation is any different from what’s happened to us like 5 times now and we know how that worked out. They either add schools, or they’re done.
 
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They are a national brand because they've been one of the top 3 programs in the country for a decade. Yet despite getting great TV slots and networks, they are sandwiched between Ole Miss and Iowa in viewership last year.

There are two components to media value - how many people watch and getting into markets to get passive cable/sat dollars. SEC already is in that market, so there's zero for the latter. In terms of the former, they simply don't perform that well.

That's being one of the best programs in the country. Then consider that prior to their current run under Dabo they went 20 years without a double-digit win season.

So a top 3 program that gets primo TV slots that doesn't do great on TV, and brings them no new media markets. I'm sure there's a concern to that Dabo's been there 15 years, and does he want to jump to the NFL? If he does and they go back to being an 8 win type of program what happens to their TV value?

I still say they bring good value to the SEC and they would love to have Clemson. But they are not as valuable in media as their on the field success suggests they should be.

Agree. People have to be able to separate the current status of a school's football program with their overall desirability. Endowment, alumni base size, local market size, fan passion, national brand recognition, commitment to athletics, these all matter as well.

Ohio St will always be Ohio St, but Clemson, Oregon, Baylor for example are a couple bad coaches away from being pedestrian. There's probably only ~20 schools that really are above that.
 

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Does the ACC GOR dissolve if 7 schools all decide to leave at the same time? I would think the top 7 could all arrange to join the BIG & SEC at once.
 

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I've got some reading to catch up on, but if I had to summarize the forming consensus I'm seeing among CFB writers who are not dipshits, it's something along the lines of this tweet.

Sounds like there's plenty of warranted skepticism over whether it can work in the short term, let alone the long term.



"Hey Jon, do me a favor and publish our talking points again. It will bump up our negotiation leverage so that we have some chance to hang on to the Mountain 4"
 

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We’ve all been here before. The Hail Mary stage. Don’t know why the PAC-10 current situation is any different from what’s happened to us like 5 times now and we know how that worked out. They either add schools, or they’re done.

Except in this situation you have national media members championing the idea instead of making fun of the destruction of a conference.
 

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Okay I think we're agreed there.

I just don't think the other teams are going to be excluded from the playoff. These Big 10/SEC nerds who think the playoff is just going to be those two conferences I think are absurd.
 

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These media guys are just waking up to the ACC news and finishing up their opinions for public consumption. This new rush of comments is just the corroborated ripple from yesterday‘s rumor.