Toughest football rebuild of p5 teams?

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  1. FinalFourCy

    FinalFourCy Well-Known Member

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    That’s the thing- It’s far more about the competency of the staff than inherent qualities of the program. The second biggest factor is ease of schedule imo.

    If a school has the funds, and more importantly the AD, to hire a good staff, they’ll turn it around.
     
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  2. Frak

    Frak Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, no program is impossible to rebuild if they hire the right coach, have money for facilities and fan support. ISU had all three and we're now winning games. The biggest thing is getting a coach that can spot talent, because the sure things will always go to the blue bloods.
     
  3. Antihawk240

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    I'll submit my vote for Arkansas. If the Big 12 was ever to open it's arms to another member I bet Arkansas would be jumping up and down for it.

    Arkansas has to live the life of being part of the SEC family and is forced to compete against Alabama, LSU & Auburn plus the speculated crookedness of the Mississippi's. That is a losing battle. I'd rather take my chances at Kansas or Rutgers before Arkansas.
     
  4. coolerifyoudid

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    Rutgers was my first though, but I'm going with Vanderbilt.

    Vanderbilt has nearly 20,000 less seats than its closest SEC counterpart and still comes a long ways from filling their stadium. When you add in their academic requirements, sprinkle in a lack of fan support and throw them in a conference with a number of traditionally tough teams, I'm giving them the edge in the toughest rebuild department.

    They may catch lightning in a bottle every once in awhile, but a sustained successful rebuild in today's environment is gonna be tough.
     
  5. LarryISU

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    Nebraska and its fans will never admit or recognize that they are not elite. After all these down years and going 4 - 8 the last two seasons, they still believe there is Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska and Michigan as the top teams in the B1G. Then ten nobodies make up the rest of the conference. So the challenge of a rebuild is that making the national playoffs is the minimal acceptable goal, and that is as attainable for that program as would be eliminating cancer. Even as they lose to Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, Iowa or Purdue, they still go on tv or radio and talk as if those teams are a bunch of deplorables.
     
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  6. CYCLNST8

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    If Northwestern & Stanford can do it, so can Vanderbilt- but the Commodores get my vote. The rest of their conference is football-fanatical. They also lack the support of a fanbase or administration that cares.

    If not for Rutgers, Indiana would be on this list. Rutgers could do a better job of frontloading their schedule with cupcakes and compete with the likes of Indiana, Maryland, Illinois, & Purdue. Mangino showed it can be done at Kansas plus they have a passionate fanbase & an administration that's not afraid to cheat.

    Iowa is one bad hire away from a repeat of the 70s. I'm on the Brian Ferentz bandwagon all the way.
     
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    Disagree, but only because Vanderbilt. That school should pull a University of Chicago and just drop out of D1 athletics entirely. D1 doesn't make any sense for their mission.
     
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  8. EvilBetty

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    ISU would be squarely on this list had it not been for the last 3 seasons and the current trajectory they are on.
     
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  9. Tre4ISU

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    Not really. Northwestern seems to do fine, Stanford is fine, Michigan does fine. I get that not all them are equals to Vanderbilt, but they all have some sort of academic limitation as well. The only thing I'd say about Vanderbilt is that they have to compete with a bunch of schools who aren't playing by the rules on a week to week basis. At least ISU doesn't have that issue to that degree.
     
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  10. SEIOWA CLONE

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    Its Rutgers, and it really is not close. While New Jersey may produce a lot of HS football players, most will not go to Rutgers to play, when they could go to Penn. St, OSU, hell even Iowa. The athletic program is broke, so there is not money to build a new locker room, dress up the stadium or even pay assistant coaches decent money. You are playing a nine game conference schedule, so you can only play 3 cupcakes and you are in the Big 10 East, so you have to play 4 out of the 5 best teams in the league every year, and an improving Maryland team.
    Go look at their schedules when they were in the Big East compared to their current schedule, ISU would be winning 8 to 10 games each year with that schedule.

    Vanderbilt has money, they need to try to pattern themselves after Northwestern or Stanford and get the better academic kids. They play in the SEC East division, the easier of the two, and their yearly crossover game is with Ol Miss. So they only play one other team from the West each season, with 4 cupcake games.
     
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  11. MeanDean

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    Oregon State went to the Fiesta Bowl the same year we won the Insight.com bowl in 2000. We all remember KU going to the Orange Bowl. See classic 'separated at birth' photo below.

    In a way they're ALL more successful up to this point than ISU. Sadly. But our future is definitely WAY more promising than any of them at this point.

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  13. FinalFourCy

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    Vandy has decades of proving that “they” don’t care, particularly compared to their conference peers. At this point I don’t think it can be discounted. The apathy is worse than ISU in the 80s-90s, and it’s already a small base.

    They’ll never have the fans, but they have the innate wealth and a niche. There are kids that want top academics and to play in the SEC.
     
  14. CloneGuy8

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    Vandy. Same challenges as the other tough ones, plus the academic restrictions.
     
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    It doesnt help Vanderbilt either that they play in a professional sports city.
     
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    This is the right answer. Any other program in this thread a coach is fine with 5-7 wins. Nebraska has few advantages and expects 10.
     
  17. kingcy

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    And where there is a JUCO in Kansas there are well to do KSU boosters.
     
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  18. kingcy

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    They joined the B1G for cash and in the mean time destroyed their athletic dept.
     
  19. kingcy

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    They are close to a lot of talented players though and that helps them a lot.
     
  20. Cycsk

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    The floor is pretty high for Vandy. Even when they suck as sports, they are still in Nashville! Everyone else can only hope to visit.
     

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