tOSU NCAA Violation

[ajjohnson]

Using this logic, then Kansas should be playing in the Nat'l Championship as opposed to (or against) tOSU since their only loss was to a quality Missouri team who beat the team that tOSU lost to. Or, you could even say that Missouri should be in because their only losses were to the same team, OU, who is by far a better caliber team that Illini and is a better two-loss stand than any other team with 2 losses, including LSU.

Again, this is why a playoffs is needed.

Kansas? Is this a joke? My logic assumes someone has the most basic common sense about strength of schedule. which your application of my logic is missing. The following is wins against BCS conference teams with winning records, there are obvious flaws in using this, but I think it gives a general sense of strength of schedule without going to in depth, LSU probably had by far the toughest schedule:

Ohio State - 5
Oklahoma - 5
LSU - 4
Georgia - 4
USC - 2
Kansas - 1

Again, I think its close between LSU and Oklahoma, but the fact LSU's losses were both in overtime, and they had a tougher overall schedule than Oklahoma, and only lost to teams with winning records, I think they deserve a slight edge.

 

[klerme]

Kansas? Is this a joke? My logic assumes someone has the most basic common sense about strength of schedule. which your application of my logic is missing. The following is wins against BCS conference teams with winning records, there are obvious flaws in using this, but I think it gives a general sense of strength of schedule without going to in depth, LSU probably had by far the toughest schedule:

Ohio State - 5
Oklahoma - 5
LSU - 4
Georgia - 4
USC - 2
Kansas - 1

Again, I think its close between LSU and Oklahoma, but the fact LSU's losses were both in overtime, and they had a tougher overall schedule than Oklahoma, and only lost to teams with winning records, I think they deserve a slight edge.

Try actually applying the logic. Your logic assumes that a BCS team with a winning record is a quality team, even if the only reason they have a winning record is by loading up on patsies in the pre-conference schedule. Please note, the B10 had 0 wins against any non-conference BCS schools that ended with a winning record. That being said, my logic looks at conference games to get a better feel for real quality wins.

Using that logic, both OSU and KU had records of 3-1 against BCS teams that finished .500 or above in the conference. The fact that ALL 3 of KU's wins were on the road, and their only loss was at a neutral site (even though they were designated the home team this year and Missouri next year in KC), whereas OSU went 2-0 on the road and 1-1 at home.

KU's wins - Ta&m, OSU, Colorado
Ohio State - Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan

KU's loss - Missouri
OSU's loss - Illinois

The rest of the schedules of both teams were essentially equally poor with the best non-conference win being owned by KU over Central Michigan (the only one of any of the D-1 teams either played in non-conference to make a bowl or to even have a winning conference record).

Before you try to make an argument wherein you attack somebody, have your facts straight to back you up.

FWIW - the records on this basis for the contenders are:
LSU - 6-1
OU - 5-2
VT - 5-2
MU - 5-2
USC -3-1

Since LSU beat VT and OU beat MU (twice), my BCS championship would have LSU v. OU (most quality wins and played most quality opponents).

 

[ajjohnson]

Try actually applying the logic. Your logic assumes that a BCS team with a winning record is a quality team, even if the only reason they have a winning record is by loading up on patsies in the pre-conference schedule. Please note, the B10 had 0 wins against any non-conference BCS schools that ended with a winning record. That being said, my logic looks at conference games to get a better feel for real quality wins.

Using that logic, both OSU and KU had records of 3-1 against BCS teams that finished .500 or above in the conference. The fact that ALL 3 of KU's wins were on the road, and their only loss was at a neutral site (even though they were designated the home team this year and Missouri next year in KC), whereas OSU went 2-0 on the road and 1-1 at home.

KU's wins - Ta&m, OSU, Colorado
Ohio State - Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan

KU's loss - Missouri
OSU's loss - Illinois

The rest of the schedules of both teams were essentially equally poor with the best non-conference win being owned by KU over Central Michigan (the only one of any of the D-1 teams either played in non-conference to make a bowl or to even have a winning conference record).

Before you try to make an argument wherein you attack somebody, have your facts straight to back you up.

FWIW - the records on this basis for the contenders are:
LSU - 6-1
OU - 5-2
VT - 5-2
MU - 5-2
USC -3-1

Since LSU beat VT and OU beat MU (twice), my BCS championship would have LSU v. OU (most quality wins and played most quality opponents).

Hilarious post, you attack wins against teams with winning records as meaningless, then you expand it to .500 teams in conference! :wideeyed:

I hate to break it to you, but anyone who brings up Kansas as part of the conversation loses all credibility. Oklahoma lost to Colorado, a team even ISU beat, yeah, they definitely earned a national title shot! :skeptical:

 

[CrossCyed]

FWIW, I was just making fun of Hawai'i having a claim at the BCS title. That's all.

 

[uro cy]

I cannot think of one player that is awesome on OSU.

Is there a single ISU position player that you would take over one from tOSU?

 

[klerme]

Hilarious post, you attack wins against teams with winning records as meaningless, then you expand it to .500 teams in conference! :wideeyed:

I hate to break it to you, but anyone who brings up Kansas as part of the conversation loses all credibility. Oklahoma lost to Colorado, a team even ISU beat, yeah, they definitely earned a national title shot! :skeptical:

Again, the idea is that a BCS conference .500 or winning record is better than a team that finishes 7-5 with a 3-5 conference record because the team loaded up on non-conference patsies - See Purdue and MSU.

So by your logic, since tOSU lost AT HOME to Illinois who lost to Iowa who lost ISU, then tOSU "yeah, they definitely deserve a title shot.":skeptical: Again, think your argument through before you make it. BTW, my argument isn't that KU should be in the championship, the argument is that you can make just as good of a case for KU as you can for OSU looking at all of the factors and taking out traditional name recognition.

Let me ask you this, if tOSU were playing Florida right now (in FB), who do you think would be favored? That being said, I do think OSU matches up better against LSU than teams like Florida because LSU runs a more traditional offense and since Dorsey's injury they have struggled against the run.

As I said at the start, I favor a playoff, not a system that rewards teams for playing bad teams.

 

[06_CY]

Um...have you ever heard of James Lauranitus?

Lauranitus is alright, if you like a guy who has 103 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 5 sacks a 2 ints. He'll be pretty good on Sundays.

 

[ajjohnson]

Again, the idea is that a BCS conference .500 or winning record is better than a team that finishes 7-5 with a 3-5 conference record because the team loaded up on non-conference patsies - See Purdue and MSU.

So by your logic, since tOSU lost AT HOME to Illinois who lost to Iowa who lost ISU, then tOSU "yeah, they definitely deserve a title shot.":skeptical: Again, think your argument through before you make it. BTW, my argument isn't that KU should be in the championship, the argument is that you can make just as good of a case for KU as you can for OSU looking at all of the factors and taking out traditional name recognition.

Let me ask you this, if tOSU were playing Florida right now (in FB), who do you think would be favored? That being said, I do think OSU matches up better against LSU than teams like Florida because LSU runs a more traditional offense and since Dorsey's injury they have struggled against the run.

As I said at the start, I favor a playoff, not a system that rewards teams for playing bad teams.

The fact you see no difference between the resume of OSU and Kansas says it all. Look at the computers strength of schedule, OSU is at 37 and Kansas is at 77, ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE. Anyone who acts like a big 12 north team has a tough schedule when they don't have to play Texas or Oklahoma and have cupcakes for nonconference just plain doesn't get it.

See Purdue? Okay, with your system they aren't a quality team and Iowa is? Everybody knows Purdue is better than Iowa. Plus, LSU lost to a team that didn't have a .500 conference record, but you still think they should be in it? Your logic is convoluted and makes NO sense!

And the fact you think Colorado is as good as Illinois also sums it up perfectly.

 

[klerme]

The fact you see no difference between the resume of OSU and Kansas says it all. Look at the computers strength of schedule, OSU is at 37 and Kansas is at 77, ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE. Anyone who acts like a big 12 north team has a tough schedule when they don't have to play Texas or Oklahoma and have cupcakes for nonconference just plain doesn't get it.

See Purdue? Okay, with your system they aren't a quality team and Iowa is? Everybody knows Purdue is better than Iowa. Plus, LSU lost to a team that didn't have a .500 conference record, but you still think they should be in it? Your logic is convoluted and makes NO sense!

And the fact you think Colorado is as good as Illinois also sums it up perfectly.

Explain to me how the computers determine SOS and I'll buy you the first of many rounds. What I see is OSU beat a D-1AA Youngstown St. (7-4, 2-3) that UNI also beat and did not have a .500 conference record, Akron (4-8, 3-5) who UConn beat by twice as much as tOSU did, Washington (4-9, 2-7), Northwestern (6-6, 3-5) a team that lost to Duke and Iowa, Minnesota (1-11, 0-8), Purdue (7-5, 3-5), Kent (3-9, 1-7), MSU (7-5, 3-5), Penn St. (8-4, 4-4), Wisconsin (9-3, 5-3), and Michigan (8-4, 6-2) and with the loss to Illini (9-3, 6-2) for a whopping overall record of its opponents of 73-70, 38-56. Not what I call a "tough schedule."

Compare that to LSU (88-70, 53-52 - big edge to LSU) and OU (82-77, 48-58 - slight edge to OU).

My point about Colorado was not to make them even to Illini, it was your flawed logic that OU's loss AT Colorado is so bad because Colorado lost to us. Remember Illini lost to UI who also lost to us (and we lost to UNI who lost to Delaware who lost to New Hampshire who lost to Northeastern and so clearly Northeastern is better than tOSU:wink.

Again, my point is, and has always been, there are just as good of arguments for other teams as to tOSU's to be in the BCS Championship.

My thoughts for a playoffs include making all conferences have 12 teams (120 D-1 teams after ND State) and everyone plays everyone in the conference with one add'l non-conference game to keep the rivalries. All 10 conference winners automatically advance into a 16 team playoff with 6 at-large bids so that we at least can argue who got "screwed" by the NCAA by being left out of the playoffs.

 

[CyCloned]

Here is the flaw in the system: Say Missouri didn't have to play in the Big 12 championship game, like OSU didn't have to play in a championship game. I believe that MU was ranked Number 2 before the B12 championship, yet after they lost they didn't even get a BCS bowl. Now, would they have gotten into the championship game if they hadn't played OU? Ranked number 2? Maybe or maybe not, but it would be hard to aurgue against putting them in and were clearly not a great team.

 

[brianhos]

Ok, I read that article today... They were not current players, they were former players. I am not sure how this is a violation at all? If Chizik asked me to attend something in a private jet, would that be an NCAA violation? No, it would be good fund raising. If you take a former player out, you should not be commiting any violations.