Agree with this. We stayed in upper West side (Chelsea) while attending Iowa ST @ Army in 2005. Warm temps, I couldn't wait to get out of Manhattan. It was opening credits from Welcome Back Kotter on our entry from JFK or La Guardia (can't remember)...... the cab ride view was --graffiti everywhere. immediate turnoff so much I wasn't interested in the Statue of Liberty or Empire St building. Every urban person wore black, didn't smile. Nowhere to eat actually downtown. I enjoyed the boat tour up the Hudson to Rockefeller estate, another boat ride to a Yankee game, and loved West Point. I guess I'm way more a Chicago traveler