There is an article on USA Today this morning that this situation has evolved into a culture war. Thankfully we're discussing her from the basketball aspects here.
Time for a Real Discussion About Caitlin Clark
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USA Basketball doesn't care about the WNBA statistics for this season, and they are not a factor in deciding the team because if they were, Chelsea Gray and Brittney Griner wouldn't be on the team. That is the ONLY argument CC's fans have, and it is a losing argument.
She was invited to attend USA Basketball training camp in March/April but could not because Iowa made the Final Four.
Then the same discussion will float over to the KXNO thread (it anlready has)…and then the Iowa Everywhere thread…and then the WNBA thread….and then the NBA thread somehow.
Are all of those threads in the ISR, though?
Hokroaches and assorted Haydenites have to behave better elsewhere.
As long as the discussions stay clear of politics, this thread won't be locked. Why? This thread drives traffic, and more traffic is better for CF.
I anticipated there to be a little of that, but it has been way worse than I expected.
Gonzo is the only Hawk fan posting in here. At least the only one who has come out of the closet @ClubCy
Far from a CC fan, but the hate for who she is exposing why there is not a strong following for the WNBA.
What's that say about the people on here? I stand by my post.
I’ve been labeled a Hawk fan multiple times for making fun of this thread. Now its a cheap form of entertainment to see what people are mad about each day.
You mean like when perhaps actual WNBA GOAT Stewart set a totally normal screen and CC fans immediately called for Stewart to face felony charges and prison time? Then Stewart gave a really warm and loving interview being super nice to Clark about the play?
I don't know if that's specifically "hate" or prejudice that Stewart is a lesbian, maybe some of it is. I think more likely CC just has a cult following and that player with that a totally legal screen was going to be villainized by her fans regardless of race or sexual preference...it just happens a really high % of players are black and LGBT.
You can look up social media posts of that play and 99% of the comments are people saying a legal screen should result in criminal charges, suspension, jail time, etc. More than anything a lot of these people just don't know basketball. I don't think it's really "hate" more that it's these soccer moms who have suddenly injected themselves into the sports talk discussion and they treat CC like their soccer mom kid.
I'd say you're a Hawkeye fan if you were more excited to watch CC in the Olympics than Tyrese Haliburton. I've encountered that a few times in the thread. They might not know it, but that makes someone more of an Iowa than ISU fan.
It's not like he's some scrub or doesn't play super exciting basketball. He throws passes to himself off the backboard yet keeps his turnovers low. Ironically he hits the exact same half court threes intentionally all the time. He did it with half court buzzer beaters at ends of quarters to win NBA playoff games.
Phew, since I’ve never actually seen CC play I guess the mob will have live with me being an Iowa State fan.
And to your point, it was very telling that there was more discussion in here than in the NBA or Pacers thread during the freaking ECF.
Meh, the ECF wasn't much of a series, plus Hali got hurt early on.
End of the day, Caitlin is just a polarizing figure. Hali is not. The media hasn't made him out to be one.
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The media has really pushed the racial undertones between Clark and Reese which I can't stand. It has nor will it ever be about race but they have chosen to push that narrative.
No, there's not a strong following for the WNBA because it's not a watchable product. A lot of people are slowly figuring out that Clark, Reese, Brink etc aren't fixing that.
Pacers made the ECF and were gone from the ECF in 8 days. Tyrese got hurt Game 2 so pretty much the last 4 days of discussion were:
"Is Tyrese playing tomorrow?" "no one knows"
"Is Tyrese playing tonight?" "no"
"That sucks Tyrese didn't play last night do we think he plays tomorrow?" "Not sure"
"Is Tyrese playing tonight?" "no"
"Damn the Pacers couldn't even get a gentleman's sweep."
They are just more of the same, not sure why anyone thought to believe otherwise. The difference between them and the women that came before them is media hype they received, and social media in general.
There literally might be millions of people that were deeply, truly, and passionately duped into believing CC is by far the best women's basketball player in the world right now, and maybe ever.
IF it turns out that she's just a really good player, and spends her career between top 10 - 20 player in the game (IF she ever gets there - she is clearly not right now) - let's say the female James Harden - this would be a catastrophic fall from the pedestal that millions have be duped into believing she is on. I think people are really losing sight of this - that the media and the engine behind all of this has not simply labeled her the "female Steph Curry" - no, she's been pumped up as the single BEST now and ever. Ever! The majority of these folks couldn't tell you anything about the current WNBA, nor anything about its current stars, their history, their glory, their accomplishments, how those accomplishments 'stack up' against CC's (some far superior) - nor do they care. They believe they are tuning in to watch the best to ever play. That is what they have been told. On repeat. It's actually kind of sick/scary when it is framed up this way.
Edit. To counter my own post - Philosophically, one could ask - does it matter? So what if people think she’s the GOAT right now, because just the mere presence of a media-made potential GOAT brings eyeballs to the entire sport, right? And grows it? Or are the eyeballs solely focused on a couple players and if they fizzle at all, so do the eyeballs…
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