The Two Powerhouse Football Conferences

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  1. CyTwins

    CyTwins Well-Known Member

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    That says Texas played a much more difficult conference schedule than Kansas. Lol solid source!
     
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    That is one way to wave the white flag.
     
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  3. TheBear

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    says the king of cherry picking. CyTwins says Sagarin SOS is all that ever counts. At the same time he says you can’t use the Sagarin Rankings, which are used to determine SOS, or the Sagarin Predictor to show that isu wouldn’t win any more games playing Iowa’s schedule than they would with the schedule they have.

    CyTwins and reality have never been real compatible.
     
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    CyTwins Well-Known Member

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    Discrediting something is waving a white flag? If you trust something that says Texas played the 26th toughest conference schedule and Kansas played the 49th toughest conference schedule I don't know what to do but laugh at you
     
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    There it is this source doesn’t count either. Because CyTwins says so.
     
  6. Legend Hawk

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    LOL, you think you discredited something? I could find a dozen things in Sagarin like this, does that mean it is "discredited". All metrics have what I or you consider flaws, but all of it is still relevant. It is funny how hard you try to defend your SOS troll.
     
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  7. CyTwins

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    Such as?
     
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    You think Sagarin is perfect, and has no flaws? You have said yourself you don't use any basketball information from it, and you use AP over the Sagarin rating. Obviously even you think it has flaws.
     
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    I don't see any flaws in Sagarin's SOS no. I haven't looked at every team but it seems to all make sense. What are the dozen flaws you see with it?
     
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    Nothing wrong with Sagarin SOS as long as you don’t also use anything else Sagarin has to say.

    Called it. Cherry picking by CyTwins.
     
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    LOL, so Sagarin has no flaws, and no other metric is even worth looking at.

    Lets see at first glance I don't see how a 7-6 North Carolina with the #60 SOS according to him is ranked ahead of a 8-5 Cal team who played a tougher schedule according to him (#43).
    Sagarin also has a 8-5 Virginia Tech with the #74 SOS ranked higher than a 10-3 SMU with a tougher SOS (#72 according to him).

    How do these things make sense in a computer metric? I mean how can you win more games, play a tougher schedule and be ranked below a team who won less games playing an easier schedule.

    I could find dozens of things with Sagarin, it is terribly flawed. The thing is it still has value and I will still use it.
     
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  12. CyTwins

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    So you have a problem with two of Sagarin's ratings and not their SOS metric portion of it? Ok. Let me know the other 10
     
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    It is one metric. Move a team up and down the rankings that affects the SOS metric. It is all tied together. Those flaws I pointed out lead to a flawed SOS portion of his metric.

    Lets face it though, you are a Cherry picker, and I'm a lover of all data and metrics. The top 19 in conference SOS belonged to the Big10 (9) and SEC (10). If you wanna worry about Texas vs Kansas in conference SOS fine. It isn't like either one of them played a tough in conference schedule.
     
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    Maybe Iowa should join the Big XII then and show us how dominant they can be against our inferior conference. When you get to duck the best teams in your league, like the B1G West does on a consistent basis, it certainly is much easier to have an inflated record.
     
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    So what are the other 10 flaws?
     
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    Well the best Big12 team ever historically joined the Big10 West and now they suck.
     
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  17. Legend Hawk

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    These are all based on HIS OWN SOS metric. He has tons of teams ranked higher than teams with the same or more wins and a tougher SOS.

    3) Washington St. ranked higher than Miss St who had a tougher SOS according to Sagarin
    4) Nebraska not ranked dead last
    5) UCF ranked higher than Navy who had a tougher SOS according to Sagarin
    6) ISU ranked #28, LOL
    7) Texas ranked higher than Baylor
    8) Texas ranked #15, LOL
    9) Kentucky ranked higher than Virginia who had a tougher SOS according to Sagarin
    10) Tennessee ranked higher than Arizona St. who had a tougher SOS according to Sagarin
    11) Michigan ranked higher than Auburn who had a tougher SOS according to Sagarin
    12) Oklahoma St ranked higher than USC who had a tougher SOS according to Sagarin

    I have never dismissed a metric, but looking over Sagarin's own flaws and contradictions I'm wondering just how much value Sagarin even has?
     
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  18. CyTwins

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    You're talking about the ratings not specifically SOS like I'm talking about. I don't care that Team Rankings has Iowa State as a top 25 team their SOS metric is a joke.

    The fact they have Texas way ahead of Kansas when it's a fact Kansas played a tougher conference schedule is laughable
     
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    Also D+, you tried too hard on it. Nebraska kept you from an F though
     
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    Mic drop
     
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