Thamel: The lean towards a 12-team playoff

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Top 6 conference champs means last year Cincy and Coastal would've gotten in and Oregon would not have

Not at all? I don't remember, what were they ranked after championship weekend? Not high enough to be an at large?
 

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Not at all? I don't remember, what were they ranked after championship weekend? Not high enough to be an at large?

6 Conference Champs
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
4. Ohio State
6. Oklahoma
8. Cincinnati
12. Coastal Carolina
(25. Oregon)

6 At-Large
3. Notre Dame
5. Texas A&M
7. Florida
9. Georgia
10. Iowa State
11. Indiana

Under this formula, that's 4 SEC teams last year -- and probably at least 3 in a normal year. BS.
 

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6 Conference Champs
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
4. Ohio State
6. Oklahoma
8. Cincinnati
12. Coastal Carolina
(25. Oregon)

6 At-Large
3. Notre Dame
5. Texas A&M
7. Florida
9. Georgia
10. Iowa State
11. Indiana

Under this formula, that's 4 SEC teams last year -- and probably at least 3 in a normal year. BS.
Thank you, Sir. So, under this scenario who does ISU play first round? Florida?
 

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Weather it be 8 or 12 teams. You must be an out right conference champion to get in. Not two teams from the same conference getting in. How do you tell kids from a team that went undefeated and conference champion. Well you really didn't play anybody tough so we can't let you in. Let it be decided on the field. Any team can be beaten any given day. I love the Cinderella stories in case you can't tell. Only CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS !!!!!

I don’t like this at all. It places too much emphasis on the Championship game and less on the regular season. Especially for the Big 12 who already plays everyone. Say Iowa State goes 9-0 in conference and beats everyone by 3 touchdowns and then rematches with OU in the championship game. Brock Purdy gets knocked out with a concussion in the first quarter and ISU loses 27-26 on a last second FG. You are saying ISU doesn’t deserve to be in the playoff?

Give me the best teams and emphasize conference champions. This 12 team proposed format is the perfect combination in my opinion. Especially with the first round games on campuses. Could you imagine a playoff game at Jack Trice?? Insanity.
 

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Had this been a 12-team format originally, ISU and K-State would have been in it already. The CFP would not have evolved into a championship decided by a handful of schools. Moving in this direction is a good thing.

Yep, I think this is great. I don’t understand why fans want to keep current system or only go to 8. The more, the better.
 
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I should say I said this under the assumption the conference champs would always get a home game as that is another rumor
Either way, it'd be nice to have gotten a shot at them, or crying a$$ Cincinnati.*

* the Fiesta Bowl victory works too. :)
 

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Not a fan of having the Quarterfinals being at a bowl site. You are saying teams fans going to travel 3-4 times if they make the Championship. Think that is expecting a lot.

 

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This is going to absolutely kill bowl games. Also, the people acting like Coastal Carolina and other G5 teams “belong” is just stupid. Iowa State or even Oregon would have bodied them last year
 
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This is going to absolutely kill bowl games. Also, the people acting like Coastal Carolina and other G5 teams “belong” is just stupid. Iowa State or even Oregon would have bodied them last year
I have been a fan of bowl games (watch most of them) but more and more the top players are skipping out of them (see Florida-OU Cotton Bowl last year) so it is probably time to move on to a different system.
 

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Thank you, Sir. So, under this scenario who does ISU play first round? Florida?

It would depend on what preference is given to champs #5 and #6.

If the 4 highest-ranked conference champs get byes, that's:
1 Alabama
2 Clemson
3 Ohio State
4 Oklahoma

If all of the rest go in order:
12 CCU at 5 ND
11 IND at 6 A&M
10 ISU at 7 FLA
9 UGA at 8 CIN

But, if the #5 and #6 champs get a home game, you can either just flip H/V...
5 ND at 12 CCU

...or seed them as #5 and #6, and shuffle the rest down so the at-larges are all seeded #7-12:
12 IND at 5 CIN
11 ISU at 6 CCU
10 UGA at 7 ND
9 FLA at 8 A&M

However, I wouldn't use the data from 2020 as an exercise in prediction.
 

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Not a fan of having the Quarterfinals being at a bowl site. You are saying teams fans going to travel 3-4 times if they make the Championship. Think that is expecting a lot.


And it is likely to be the NY6 bowls will be rotating quarters and semis, so Miami, Atlanta, New Orleans, Arlington, Phoenix, and Pasadena. That is a ton of travel for teams and fanbases, and could lead to a team having to play in Miami in the quarters, and Pasadena for the semis, not to mention wherever the Championship is hosted.
 
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I have been a fan of bowl games (watch most of them) but more and more the top players are skipping out of them (see Florida-OU Cotton Bowl last year) so it is probably time to move on to a different system.
I have been coming around on the idea of moving the non-NY6 bowls to the beginning of the season as kickoff games, similar to the CBB early season tourneys. The bowl games can become an end-of-the-summer tradition, instead of an end-of-the-year tradition.
 

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Let's try the 12-team (6/6) model based on an actual full season, say 2019:

Top 6 champs
1. LSU (SEC champ) - bye
2. Ohio State (B1G champ) - bye
3. Clemson (ACC champ) - bye
4. Oklahoma (B12 champ) - bye
6. Oregon (P12 champ) - home game?
17. Memphis (American champ) - home game?

Top 6 at-larges
5. Georgia
7. Baylor
8. Wisconsin
9. Florida
10. Penn State
11. Utah

BRACKET (assuming champs get seeded 1-6 and at-large get 7-12)
9 WIS at 8 BAY -- winner plays 1 LSU
12 UTAH at 5 ORE -- winner plays 4 OKLA
11 PSU at 6 MEM -- winner plays 3 CLEM
10 FLA at 7 UGA -- winner plays 2 OHST
 

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And it is likely to be the NY6 bowls will be rotating quarters and semis, so Miami, Atlanta, New Orleans, Arlington, Phoenix, and Pasadena. That is a ton of travel for teams and fanbases, and could lead to a team having to play in Miami in the quarters, and Pasadena for the semis, not to mention wherever the Championship is hosted.
Yep, most fans aren't going to be able to do that. Too damn expensive, kids schedules, etc.
 

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Let's try the 12-team (6/6) model based on an actual full season, say 2019:

Top 6 champs
1. LSU (SEC champ) - bye
2. Ohio State (B1G champ) - bye
3. Clemson (ACC champ) - bye
4. Oklahoma (B12 champ) - bye
6. Oregon (P12 champ) - home game?
17. Memphis (American champ) - home game?

Top 6 at-larges
5. Georgia
7. Baylor
8. Wisconsin
9. Florida
10. Penn State
11. Utah

BRACKET (assuming champs get seeded 1-6 and at-large get 7-12)
9 WIS at 8 BAY -- winner plays 1 LSU
12 UTAH at 5 ORE -- winner plays 4 OKLA
11 PSU at 6 MEM -- winner plays 3 CLEM
10 FLA at 7 UGA -- winner plays 2 OHST
I would also guess the committee will go out of their way to avoid rematches, likely flipping Utah and PSU, and Memphis and UGA.
 
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Other elements of the working group's proposal included the following:
  • While the playoff calendar is still to be worked out, broadly this is the recommendation:
    • First-round games would take place on campus sometime during the two-week period after conference championship games;
    • Quarterfinals would be played on January 1—or January 2 when New Year's Day falls on a Sunday—and on an adjacent day;
    • Semifinals and championship game dates are to be determined; semifinals likely will not be played as a doubleheader.
  • The playoff bracket would follow the rankings, with no modifications made to avoid rematches of teams that may have played during the regular-season or are from the same conference;
  • The bracket would remain in effect throughout the playoff (i.e., no re-seeding);
  • The working group's charge did not include deciding which bowls might be a part of the CFP in the future; however the group did recommend that if traditional bowls host games, teams would be assigned to their traditional bowls for quarterfinal games with priority going to the higher-seeded team;