Tampa Bay AA pitcher's wife,son and mother in law murdered

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Knownothing

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Just shoot him in the knee. He is wanted for triple homicide and you let him run up to an old man and grab him? WTF. Shoot his freakin knees and arrest him if you don't have a taser.
 

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Also given what we know this might not have been a bad thing at all.

Then I'm sure a 9mm would work like charm. Not like we need him for anything on this planet anyway.

Did they even know about the murders yet when they apprehended naked man? Or did they know that he was prime suspect? What happens if he is indeed a man with mental health issues and it turns out he wasn't the murderer but is instead the only living witness. You've just killed your best chance of capturing a multiple murderer.
 
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So awkward to watch.

The office seemed really hesitant to act, almost like he was afraid of what would happen if someone caught him on video shooting on unarmed naked guy...I don't think he had a taser, or didn't think it would work on the guy.

My best guess is that the office didn't want to give the crazy guy the opportunity to wrestle his gun away and cause things to get worse.
 

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Obviously the officer handled the situation poorly, but if they shot an unarmed naked man you could imagine the backlash.

Video still seems fake...
 
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I think if a cray cray naked guy grabbed me by the throat from in front of me he'd get a knee in the nuts. The whole video just doesn't seem like how people would react in a real situation. Did look like cop was trying to mace him though.
It looked like the naked guy was rubbing the pepper spray off. Maybe the guy that got grabbed was tearing up and confused didn't want to escalate.

I agree that I'm doing something more than just standing there but it's always easier said from my couch at home than when I'm in that situation.
 
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Did they even know about the murders yet when they apprehended naked man? Or did they know that he was prime suspect? What happens if he is indeed a man with mental health issues and it turns out he wasn't the murderer but is instead the only living witness. You've just killed your best chance of capturing a multiple murderer.
Maybe I've spoken out of turn. I guess my assumption was that they knew he did it at that point because it was linked in the OP talking about a family being murdered.

No, if they didn't know he was the killer, they shouldn't gun him down (certainly should've done more to keep him from grabbing that guy). But if they knew he was the killer, I wouldn't bat an eye at the cop putting a chunk of lead in his chest when he started running at him and definitely wouldn't mind after he grabbed the guy around the neck.
 

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Maybe I've spoken out of turn. I guess my assumption was that they knew he did it at that point because it was linked in the OP talking about a family being murdered.

No, if they didn't know he was the killer, they shouldn't gun him down (certainly should've done more to keep him from grabbing that guy). But if they knew he was the killer, I wouldn't bat an eye at the cop putting a chunk of lead in his chest when he started running at him and definitely wouldn't mind after he grabbed the guy around the neck.
Define "knew". There are innumerable times that even if someone is the prime suspect it turns out that the prime suspect is innocent. Deadly force is necessary at times, and I think we have gone too far in making good cops reluctant to use it even when warranted, but I don't think that they should use it just because the guy/gal is a prime suspect. If they are becoming a deadly threat to others than the usual guidelines should apply, but again, don't throw out the guidelines because they are a "prime suspect". I don't want cops on the spur of the moment to be judge, jury and executioner - and frankly the good cops don't want that either.
 
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Define "knew". There are innumerable times that even if someone is the prime suspect it turns out that the prime suspect is innocent. Deadly force is necessary at times, and I think we have gone too far in making good cops reluctant to use it even when warranted, but I don't think that they should use it just because the guy/gal is a prime suspect. If they are becoming a deadly threat to others than the usual guidelines should apply, but again, don't throw out the guidelines because they are a "prime suspect". I don't want cops on the spur of the moment to be judge, jury and executioner - and frankly the good cops don't want that either.
"Knew" - Past of know. I knew I had to take a **** at noon today.

Like the family was on the phone with a 911 dispatcher saying "My son is naked and trying to kill us".

Look, I don't/didn't know details but that's how I feel with what I know at this time.
 
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Did they even know about the murders yet when they apprehended naked man? Or did they know that he was prime suspect? What happens if he is indeed a man with mental health issues and it turns out he wasn't the murderer but is instead the only living witness. You've just killed your best chance of capturing a multiple murderer.

This is my question as well. If you know about the murders no way you should let him parade around like that.
 

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Shoot him in the knee? Fire some warning shots? C'mon guys, real life is not an episode of Hawaii 5-0. Taser seems to be a good option, but that could have very well been attempted before the video started, officers generally carry one cartridge, if that fails, on to the next tool. Pepper spray also failed. I am proud of the guy for not using deadly force in this period of policing. It seems going hands on and attempting a forceful arrest may have been another option unless he had already failed attempting that as well. The subject was arrested without additional harm is a good outcome in my book.
 
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I think order was lost when he ran up to a random person and grabbed them around the neck. That is, if it hadn't already been lost when he murdered three people.

Do you know what level of information was known at the time by the police? The police are not the judge, jury, and executioner, in almost every single situation.
 
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Whoever that officer is, needs more training. I’ve never gone through police training, but I’d like to think “Play grab ass with a naked crazy man, let him run around and grab innocent people by the neck” is in the book.
I mean naked guy was chasing the deputy, WTF did I just watch.
 

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Shoot him in the knee? Fire some warning shots? C'mon guys, real life is not an episode of Hawaii 5-0. Taser seems to be a good option, but that could have very well been attempted before the video started, officers generally carry one cartridge, if that fails, on to the next tool. Pepper spray also failed. I am proud of the guy for not using deadly force in this period of policing. It seems going hands on and attempting a forceful arrest may have been another option unless he had already failed attempting that as well. The subject was arrested without additional harm is a good outcome in my book.
Very lucky to not have his gun taken away as far as I can tell.