Steve Prohm says he'll meet with Jamie Pollard to discuss his future next week...

[fsanford]

I think the concern about TJ is people wanting some “excitement” in a coaching search. If Georges Niang was in the mix message board fans would be creaming themselves with excitement.

The concern about TJ is you see guy at Cleveland State in year 2 get his team to the NCAA tourney, TJ's team finishes in the bottom half the league.

A guy like Gates, takes a team that had no more than 12 wins in the previous 4 years before he got there and year 2 they are in the tourney. Not that ISU has a shot at him.

There are similiarities between TJ and Prohm

Prohm also took over a great situation in his gig prior to coming to ISU
Murray State's had no less than 16 wins the previous 5 years before Prohm took over and the last 2 years had huge win totals
TJ great situation at SDSU
SDSU had no less than 19 wins 5 years prior to TJ getting there and had multiple 20 win seasons in those 5 years

Moving on to new job

Prohm did well with Fred's guys and was a peaks and valley guy in recruiting, but I believe at least 4 guys Steve brought in are playing the NBA or NBA D-League.
But Steve was never a great X's and O's guys he won when there was an NBA caliber point guard on the floor.

TJ well kind of early, UNLV is a program with lots of tradition. Prior to 2017-2018 season under the old coach UNLV procured a top 25 recruiting class. That year UNLV won 20 games, the following year they won 17 old coach fired and the keys were give to TJ.

Obviously UNLV has high expectations. TJ had lots of guys transfer out and in his first year . But he still had reminents of that very good class. First year they went on a nice little run at the end of the year, to finish above .500. Reminded me of the ISU run at the Big 12 tourney a few years back. UNLV lost round 1 MW tourney. Even if they won of course Covid would have shut them down after that.


Year 2 when they had their point guard, in Jan. prior to that they lost 4 in the Maui invitational, which include the likes of Montana State who is like 11-9 on the year and Davidson who is a good mid major. Much of the win total was fattened up with teams with records of single digit and were ISU caliber or below. They played St Katherine's a school that did not exist before 2011, and has an enrollment of less than 500 I believe. So you can use the point guard excuse but the fact is when he played they were not great

So I see comparisons between Prohm and TJ, and that has me concerned. It has nothing to do with the excitement factor, it has more to do with TJ not yet showing he could turn a program around and showing success under more challenging situations

Other than some people having a few beers with TJ and being buddy buddy with some locals what is it on his current resume that screams success at ISU, cuz right now it is too similar to Prohm's resume in my mind.

In the end if they hire him, I will certainly want him to have the highest success at ISU and he will be my teams coach.

 

[HFCS]

He has hated Prohm from the very start, and to his credit he's been honest about it.

I wouldn't say I 'hated' Prohm but I've suspected a lot of his coaching success might have been constant stream of four NBA ready point guards in just 9-10 season. Hate to say I was right.

His weakness certainly isn't finding 2 of those 4 NBA pgs who weren't even highly recruited.

Monte's senior year it would have been hard for a coach to flub up our offense unless they benched Monte (he played pretty much every minute). Even as a freshman Tyrese played so smart and natural that even the worst coach could have had some success on offense.

 

[nautical12]

Hes a great recruiter I'll give him that, he's a horrible talent evaluator, Haliburton and Payne are outliers.

8 recruits in the last two recruiting classes that haven't contributed anything at this point or aren't even on campus anymore. I already mentioned guys like Lewis, Griffin, Long.

Who else besides Tyrese was an under the radar recruit that significantly contributed to the program?

Solomon Young is the only one you coukd remotely put in that category but hes been the same player for 5 years now.

I agree. Prohm's downfall was never being able to get those middle of the road glue guys that do all the little things that lead to wins. His recruits were either home runs or complete busts.

 

[clonehome]

Prohm is like McDermott during his ISU tenure in a lot of ways. His recruiting has been better than his coaching and developing culture. And even with recruiting it’s feast or famine. For every quality recruit there have been 2 or 3 non-contributors. Just no reliable role players or specialists. He’s failed to find good outside shooters and tough inside players who can defend and rebound. How much could he have used players like Shawn Bankhead, Kantrail Horton, Jared Homan, Howard Eaton, Ron Bayless, Tyrus McGee, Scott Christopherson, even Klay Edwards? None of those guys were heavily recruited, in fact most were jucos.

The biggest difference between the two coaches is that Greg inherited a mess while Prohm inherited more than any coach in ISU history, even Floyd. Just a massive wasted opportunity.

 

[CYphyllis]

TJ has a mid major that is willing to pay players sitting at 7th in it's own conference. That alone should disqualify him from any possibility of coaching at ISU.

 

[Stormin]

You might want to look at TJs post season resume when you cite Prohm's lack of postseason success as a candidate. I'll do you a favor, 0-2 in the NCAA tourney, 0-1 in the NIT.

Not that we really need to be excited if we have to work through details to confirm that TJ at this point, is indeed a better candidate than Prohm was when he was hired.

I guess I will just decide to not be overly excited to be able to hire a guy that no other power conference team seems to be considering. Hell, his UNLV seat will be warm next year if they don't have a good year.

South Dakota State was a #16 Seed vs. #1 Seed Gonzaga in 2017. In 2018 South Dakota State was a #12 Seed vs. #5 Seed Ohio State.

In 2019 NIT South Dakota State was. #7 Seed vs. #2 Seed Texas in the Alabama Bracket.

So TJ is 0-2 in NCAA Tourneys and 0-1 NIT. South Dakota State was lower seeded in all 3 games. All opponents were P5 Conference Members.

 

[HFCS]

Prohm is like McDermott during his ISU tenure in a lot of ways. His recruiting has been better than his coaching and developing culture. And even with recruiting it’s feast or famine. For every quality recruit there have been 2 or 3 non-contributors. Just no reliable role players or specialists. He’s failed to find good outside shooters and tough inside players who can defend and rebound. How much could he have used players like Shawn Bankhead, Kantrail Horton, Jared Homan, Howard Eaton, Ron Bayless, Tyrus McGee, Scott Christopherson, even Klay Edwards? None of those guys were heavily recruited, in fact most were jucos.

The biggest difference between the two coaches is that Greg inherited a mess while Prohm inherited more than any coach in ISU history, even Floyd. Just a massive wasted opportunity.

Agree with this.

Larry inherited Fizer but Monte and the rest of that team was more overall talent at the time to get, it was probably a top 3 backcourt in all of college basketball he inherited given we'd see Naz and Thomas have great years. Really it's pretty rare for a coach to get that much talent unless some blueblood coach is retiring of old age.

 

[HFCS]

South Dakota State was a #16 Seed vs. #1 Seed Gonzaga in 2017. In 2018 South Dakota State was a #12 Seed vs. #5 Seed Ohio State.

In 2019 NIT South Dakota State was. #7 Seed vs. #2 Seed Texas in the Alabama Bracket.

So TJ is 0-2 in NCAA Tourneys and 0-1 NIT. South Dakota State was lower seeded in all 3 games. All opponents were P5 Conference Members.

I struggle a little with the SDSU years given that Daum was such a dominant player. Makes it hard for me to evaluate.

 

[Statefan10]

South Dakota State was a #16 Seed vs. #1 Seed Gonzaga in 2017. In 2018 South Dakota State was a #12 Seed vs. #5 Seed Ohio State.

In 2019 NIT South Dakota State was. #7 Seed vs. #2 Seed Texas in the Alabama Bracket.

So TJ is 0-2 in NCAA Tourneys and 0-1 NIT. South Dakota State was lower seeded in all 3 games. All opponents were P5 Conference Members.

*I don’t want TJ* but that game against Ohio State was a barn burner and SDSU almost won. I believe it was a last second shot.

 

[NoCreativity]

He has hated Prohm from the very start, and to his credit he's been honest about it.

Whoa now, "hate" is a strong word. Only a few people I hate in this world and a basketball coach definitely isn't one of them.

Disappointed, unqualified, in over his head are all things that come to mind about Prohm when he was hired.

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

I think someone (TJ) is lined up to be next head coach. Otherwise you would fire Prohm today and see who sends in the resume.

 

[TheHonestCycloneFan]

The fact that this is being prolonged a week instead of him being relieved of his duties tomorrow is troubling.

I didn't realize I said anything wrong. I'm sorry his tenure here has been nothing less than mediocre. Hope he lands on his feet but far away from this program.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

I think someone (TJ) is lined up to be next head coach. Otherwise you would fire Prohm today and see who sends in the resume.

Coaches have to wait before sending in their resumes...no wonder Jamie never replies to mine when I send it early

 

[jsb]

I think someone (TJ) is lined up to be next head coach. Otherwise you would fire Prohm today and see who sends in the resume.

No you wouldn’t. Coaching changes wait. No power 5 team has fired their coach yet. Things will open up next week and some jobs don’t be filled until teams are finished playing.

 

[Stormin]

I struggle a little with the SDSU years given that Daum was such a dominant player. Makes it hard for me to evaluate.

Coaching up a player and developing their talent so they become a dominant force. That is what successful Coaches do.

 

[Statefan10]

No you wouldn’t. Coaching changes wait. No power 5 team has fired their coach yet. Things will open up next week and some jobs don’t be filled until teams are finished playing.

I think BC’s coach got fired a while back.

 

[Neptune78]

I think someone (TJ) is lined up to be next head coach. Otherwise you would fire Prohm today and see who sends in the resume.

Yup, makes you wonder. JP has shown he can pull the plug without delay (CPR) and has had ample opportunity to have his talk with Steve prior to KC.

 

[DeereClone]

I think someone (TJ) is lined up to be next head coach. Otherwise you would fire Prohm today and see who sends in the resume.

LOL at coaches waiting for the job to be open to fax their resume to JPs office.....this ain't intramurals brotha.

 

[CyLyte2]

Prohm’s problem is equating talented players with creating a team. I realize desperation was setting in but guys like THT and Wigginton while talented had no desire to be team players. They wanted stats to get to the NBA. Horton-Tucker was embarrassingly bad about it. And made a team with multiple NBA players into a .500 Big 12 team.

 

[CoachHines3]

TJ has a mid major that was willing to pay players sitting at 7th in it's own conference. That alone should disqualify him from any possibility of coaching at ISU.

fixed it

dont think TJ does that but unlv def did it before.