Sorry I don’t consider only chasing high 4 stars and 5 star recruits as recruiting. You’re naive if you think 1 high school recruit over a 2 year period was the best Hoiberg could do.
State of ISU MBB if we had hired Otz instead of Prohm?
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Sorry I don’t consider only chasing high 4 stars and 5 star recruits as recruiting. You’re naive if you think 1 high school recruit over a 2 year period was the best Hoiberg could do.
Prohm recruited well until 2019* flamed out his last 2 classes. I'm not really sure why, either. On paper, at the very least the '20 guys should have been pretty good. '19 was an unmitigated disaster, worst class in ISU history.
TJ is our coach at this very moment and that’s all that matters. Steve provided us some very awesome memories and some great players, even if his last two years were awful.
Right now, let’s all just be happy / positive with what we have in front of us.
Right now, let’s all just be happy / positive with what we have in front of us.
Obviously correct, but the one guy who is currently loving the OP's question the most-- grinning Jamie Pollard.
I'm not going to be the Negative Nellie who trashes the OP for bringing up a hypothetical. It's something that most everyone at some point has pondered.
Here's my take. Recruiting would not have fallen off like it did, and TJ certainly would have had some screw-ups that would be part of on the job training. I see a scenario like Drew at Baylor where we would have had a similar success to what Fred had, even if there was a step backwards.... but improvement as he gained experience. As we learned with Prohm, results vary drastically based on the roster, which proves that X's and O's are only part of the deal in what makes a successful coach.
Would have been nice, we would have ended up better as momentum wouldn't have been killed, but that's water under the bridge. It's humbled us and will make us more appreciative fans when this thing turns around.
Here's my take. Recruiting would not have fallen off like it did, and TJ certainly would have had some screw-ups that would be part of on the job training. I see a scenario like Drew at Baylor where we would have had a similar success to what Fred had, even if there was a step backwards.... but improvement as he gained experience. As we learned with Prohm, results vary drastically based on the roster, which proves that X's and O's are only part of the deal in what makes a successful coach.
Would have been nice, we would have ended up better as momentum wouldn't have been killed, but that's water under the bridge. It's humbled us and will make us more appreciative fans when this thing turns around.
This path is better, not sure he was ready before his stint at SDSU.
Steve recruited effectively two of the top 5 rookies in the NBA this year and had them together for a season not long ago. THT is basically in his rookie season and absolutely dominating approaching the playoffs.
Can't know anything from recruiting alone.
Can't know anything from recruiting alone.
BYU Basketball Transfer Big Board 4.0
BYU has yet to land a transfer this offseason, but they are still in heavy pursuit and closing in on multiple guys. Coaches have at least two scholarships available and I think they would add up to...
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Article above has him linked to BYU, but they have seemingly cooled on him with eligibility being a potential concern. Maybe he should have just stayed? No room for him now.
Wouldn't his scholarship not count towards the limit since he would be a super senior?BYU Basketball Transfer Big Board 4.0
BYU has yet to land a transfer this offseason, but they are still in heavy pursuit and closing in on multiple guys. Coaches have at least two scholarships available and I think they would add up to...
Article above has him linked to BYU, but they have seemingly cooled on him with eligibility being a potential concern. Maybe he should have just stayed? No room for him now.
You know, if we keep pondering about water under the bridge.........is it really that?
He was a good guy and, had a style of play that kids wanted, and we had a reputation of being a good program. Were those two rookies as much a result of where our program was at the time? My point is that despite getting some REALLY good kids, he still was a failure recruitingwise because he couldn't effectively fill the roster with the talent to compete. Maybe the issue was that he wasn't as great at developing talent as was perceived. That deficiency likely wouldn't be exposed at the mid-major level as it is at a P6 level.
BYU Basketball Transfer Big Board 4.0
BYU has yet to land a transfer this offseason, but they are still in heavy pursuit and closing in on multiple guys. Coaches have at least two scholarships available and I think they would add up to...
Article above has him linked to BYU, but they have seemingly cooled on him with eligibility being a potential concern. Maybe he should have just stayed? No room for him now.
Has he 'burned the bridge' to coming back even if he maybe could?
Would TJ want him? Good player, yes but would take PT form other TJ recruits. Interesting question though.
Not if we ponder it. But if we're going to get all worked up about it, it's certainly not. IMO, because of the fact that 90% of all communication is non-verbal, people on message boards often misinterpret what is trying to be communicated. How many threads have you seen where someone parses one line out of three paragraph post which turns into a debate of it's own? That one line may have been inconsequential to the poster but certainly not to the one who responds. We end up on these energy wasting tangents...tangents like "whether it's really water under the bridge."
If Monte was 2-3" taller or Georges was 30 lbs lighter Fred would have had the same holes to fill from early NBA departures. Maybe (probably) he could have filled them better but having those guys arriving as four year all-conference level players with very little risk of leaving early because of their lack of NBA prototype build was a cornerstone.
Otz does seem to have retained and targeted some guys that could fit that mold. Hunter seems legit but doesn't have the measurables that jump off the page for NBA scouts.
I don't think you can have too many players. I think the bigger issue is that he doesn't want to come back. The article states that he's a SEVENTH year player. My gut feeling is that his desire to play another season of college basketball anywhere isn't strong or he wouldn't have left in the first place....or would have found a home by now. Wouldn't surprise me if he decides to pursue a professional career instead.
