Speeding Ticket Questions

stevefrench

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Wouldn't the paying attention part be the reason they're giving those tickets?

sure. but what I'm saying is that I am not making a concerted effort to go 90 on the interstate. I have just been rather unlucky it would seem with running into cops at inopportune times. For the most part I try to stay within a reasonable proximity to the posted limit, but clearly have some lapses from time to time.

for what it's worth, I dont think someone should face license suspension for minor moving violations. fines and maybe safe druver school, sure. But I mean it seems people can get multiple DUI's and still maintain their ability to drive. but a guy that gets popped for going 6-10 over a few times loses his? that's cray cray
 

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sure. but what I'm saying is that I am not making a concerted effort to go 90 on the interstate. I have just been rather unlucky it would seem with running into cops at inopportune times. For the most part I try to stay within a reasonable proximity to the posted limit, but clearly have some lapses from time to time.

for what it's worth, I dont think someone should face license suspension for minor moving violations. fines and maybe safe druver school, sure. But I mean it seems people can get multiple DUI's and still maintain their ability to drive. but a guy that gets popped for going 6-10 over a few times loses his? that's cray cray

Agreed. I once got pulled over for going 37 in a 35. They should spend there time doing something more useful.
 

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Not to derail but do those radar detectors work? I am thinking about getting one with my 24 hour drive coming up next month.

I've had one for a couple of years now, and I have to say it has saved me several tickets. The only thing it doesn't save you from is Laser. There's a laser warning on it, but by the time it sounds they've already got you. But I'm finding that laser is really only being used in the city rather than highway.
 

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I got pulled over in Des Moines for going 5 over. The location he was at when he had his radar gun out was right where it turned from a 60mph to 55. He got me for 1-5 over.

He asked me how my record was (they already know this)
I said it was good, he came back and said "you're right it was good, now here's a ticket."
 

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I have a valentine one hardwired into my mirror. Around town in does a lot if false positives but once you get use to the different sounds it makes, you figure out witch one is for real. Works great on the interstate and I feel naked driving without one.

if you get one, get a good one. Either a v1 or Escort 9500.

Totally agree. I wont go on any trip of distance without my V1. I would not even mess with anything else, as they tend to have a few leds and beeps that go nuts everywhere, and are not able to give you enough information to rely on. The V1 is $399 well spent, imho.

In terms of fighting tickets, I nearly always contest the ticket and go to court. I lost my license once due to not fighting, and I will never do that again. Another govt cash grab for those who are not informed about the law and system in my opinion. If you contest the ticket, you have a decent chance of winning. I am something like 9-0 versus both city and state law enforcement in Oregon. Iowa is not that different. Here are my steps to winning:

1. When you get pulled over, be courteous. Do not admit anything however. Take note of all the surroundings mentally. You will have time to take notes when the officer is doing your paperwork. Get out a notepad and jot down what was said, weather conditions, traffic conditions, etc.
2. Show up to contest the ticket, or notify the office that you are contesting. In Oregon, you show up to say you are "not guilty" if you want to contest. They schedule a court date for you after that. The clerks here are programmed to talk you into pleading "guilty" or "no contest" which is not really too much difference. Either way they get your $$ without any more discussion.
3. Prepare for court. Go to the local law library or online and look up the statute you violated, allegedly. Note if the officer was correct in what he wrote the violation for. Often there is some doubt if they noted everything correct on the ticket. Copy the statute, and study it. Print a copy for court, along with a photocopy of the ticket.
4. Once in court, have all your documents ready, along with possible photographs of the scene of your violation. With smartphones, printing photos of the location of the violation may be helpful and necessary. I have done this a time or two to help explain the situation.
5. In court, dress nice, shave/prep appearance wise. In my experience, even as a younger adult (say 30 years old or less) there are people that come in to court with hats on sideways, pants sagging of their ***, unshaven, etc. Obviously do not be one of these people.....they are typically guilty by appearance alone. My thoughts are, be professional, polite, and confident. Dress for a job interview.
6. Once in court, the judge will have the officer (if they show up....this is hit and miss in terms of percentage of their attendance) present his side of the violation. Typically they have a small notepad that states very little in terms of the violation....basically saying he was in a patrol car, in uniform, and clocked/observed you speeding/doing something illegal. After this, you have your turn to present your own case.
7. I typically thank the judge for hearing my side, as well as I thank the officer for being there and serving the community. This is being professional, and kissing a little *** at the same time. Cops do not have easy jobs, and you are showing that you recognize this. Its respectful, timely, and important in court. After that, present your side of the story. Be honest, present facts, and other information that may place some doubt in the judge's mind. If there could have been a mistake in the facts, make sure you present this. Show documents, quote the statute, etc for whatever is applicable here. I typically will not cross examine the officer, as that can be dicey as a regular joe (not attorney). Most judges probably do not want you to do that, as it may ruin your credibility as a "good regular joe".
7. Thank the judge, and answer their questions if they have any. I have had them ask a few questions most times, and they are usually just clarifying what you have presented. Some times they ask the officer some questions. At this point you are in good shape if you have created any doubt in the mind of the judge. After they have rendered many others in the courtroom guilty (people that are not prepared, saggy pants, disrespectful idiots, etc) you may be given a "not guilty" or at the minimum, a significant reduction in your fine.

Like I said, I am like 9-0 in court here in Oregon. There were times I was really not guilty, and others I probably was dead to rights. Show up, contest, and let the system figure it out. I have appealed a time or two as well, and that came out in my favor as well. The key is to not have any tickets on your record.....unfortunately. Once you have one, it can snowball....that, and you lose a lot of credibility when you get pulled over again, or if you go to court. Once you are clean....stay that way. I have not had a ticket stick since I moved to Oregon....nearly 17 years. The first year I got my sports car back in 1999 (1991 Nissan 300zx twin turbo) I got pulled over 19 times.....zero tickets that stuck however. I drove nuts, but was also both lucky and smart about dealing with them. I have since mellowed out.....most of the time.

Good luck.....get a Valentine 1 too.
 

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I've had one for a couple of years now, and I have to say it has saved me several tickets. The only thing it doesn't save you from is Laser. There's a laser warning on it, but by the time it sounds they've already got you. But I'm finding that laser is really only being used in the city rather than highway.

That's another nice thing about the Valentine 1. You can go into the unit and delete it from picking up certain bands. My car has a bunch of lasers and it was going nuts all the time until I turned it off. Like you said, laser is rare and usually by the time you pick it up, they got you. With other bands like KA, you can pick them up for a long ways away. Also now that I'm use to the arrows, it would be hard to use anything else that didn't have them.

One surprise is that my V1 is not good at picking up the KA band from the speed camera on 235. I know where it's at so it's no big deal but it only gives me about 300 feet of warning. On the mobile speed cameras, I can pick those up over a mile away.
 

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Totally agree. I wont go on any trip of distance without my V1. I would not even mess with anything else, as they tend to have a few leds and beeps that go nuts everywhere, and are not able to give you enough information to rely on. The V1 is $399 well spent, imho.

In terms of fighting tickets, I nearly always contest the ticket and go to court. I lost my license once due to not fighting, and I will never do that again. Another govt cash grab for those who are not informed about the law and system in my opinion. If you contest the ticket, you have a decent chance of winning. I am something like 9-0 versus both city and state law enforcement in Oregon. Iowa is not that different. Here are my steps to winning:

1. When you get pulled over, be courteous. Do not admit anything however. Take note of all the surroundings mentally. You will have time to take notes when the officer is doing your paperwork. Get out a notepad and jot down what was said, weather conditions, traffic conditions, etc.
2. Show up to contest the ticket, or notify the office that you are contesting. In Oregon, you show up to say you are "not guilty" if you want to contest. They schedule a court date for you after that. The clerks here are programmed to talk you into pleading "guilty" or "no contest" which is not really too much difference. Either way they get your $$ without any more discussion.
3. Prepare for court. Go to the local law library or online and look up the statute you violated, allegedly. Note if the officer was correct in what he wrote the violation for. Often there is some doubt if they noted everything correct on the ticket. Copy the statute, and study it. Print a copy for court, along with a photocopy of the ticket.
4. Once in court, have all your documents ready, along with possible photographs of the scene of your violation. With smartphones, printing photos of the location of the violation may be helpful and necessary. I have done this a time or two to help explain the situation.
5. In court, dress nice, shave/prep appearance wise. In my experience, even as a younger adult (say 30 years old or less) there are people that come in to court with hats on sideways, pants sagging of their ***, unshaven, etc. Obviously do not be one of these people.....they are typically guilty by appearance alone. My thoughts are, be professional, polite, and confident. Dress for a job interview.
6. Once in court, the judge will have the officer (if they show up....this is hit and miss in terms of percentage of their attendance) present his side of the violation. Typically they have a small notepad that states very little in terms of the violation....basically saying he was in a patrol car, in uniform, and clocked/observed you speeding/doing something illegal. After this, you have your turn to present your own case.
7. I typically thank the judge for hearing my side, as well as I thank the officer for being there and serving the community. This is being professional, and kissing a little *** at the same time. Cops do not have easy jobs, and you are showing that you recognize this. Its respectful, timely, and important in court. After that, present your side of the story. Be honest, present facts, and other information that may place some doubt in the judge's mind. If there could have been a mistake in the facts, make sure you present this. Show documents, quote the statute, etc for whatever is applicable here. I typically will not cross examine the officer, as that can be dicey as a regular joe (not attorney). Most judges probably do not want you to do that, as it may ruin your credibility as a "good regular joe".
7. Thank the judge, and answer their questions if they have any. I have had them ask a few questions most times, and they are usually just clarifying what you have presented. Some times they ask the officer some questions. At this point you are in good shape if you have created any doubt in the mind of the judge. After they have rendered many others in the courtroom guilty (people that are not prepared, saggy pants, disrespectful idiots, etc) you may be given a "not guilty" or at the minimum, a significant reduction in your fine.

Like I said, I am like 9-0 in court here in Oregon. There were times I was really not guilty, and others I probably was dead to rights. Show up, contest, and let the system figure it out. I have appealed a time or two as well, and that came out in my favor as well. The key is to not have any tickets on your record.....unfortunately. Once you have one, it can snowball....that, and you lose a lot of credibility when you get pulled over again, or if you go to court. Once you are clean....stay that way. I have not had a ticket stick since I moved to Oregon....nearly 17 years. The first year I got my sports car back in 1999 (1991 Nissan 300zx twin turbo) I got pulled over 19 times.....zero tickets that stuck however. I drove nuts, but was also both lucky and smart about dealing with them. I have since mellowed out.....most of the time.

Good luck.....get a Valentine 1 too.
Sounds like an awful lot of work. I think slowing down a bit is a lot easier.
 

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A friend of mine used to have a red mustang convertible which he drove too fast most of the time. He was pulled over all the time. His strategy was to call his small town lawyer who would contest the ticket and at worse case plea the ticket down to a non moving violation while agreeing to pay the full fine. Seemed to work pretty well for him as he never lost his license. 10 years ago his lawyer only charged him about $100 for each incident. (small town lawyer).
 

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Totally agree. I wont go on any trip of distance without my V1. I would not even mess with anything else, as they tend to have a few leds and beeps that go nuts everywhere, and are not able to give you enough information to rely on. The V1 is $399 well spent, imho.

In terms of fighting tickets, I nearly always contest the ticket and go to court. I lost my license once due to not fighting, and I will never do that again. Another govt cash grab for those who are not informed about the law and system in my opinion. If you contest the ticket, you have a decent chance of winning. I am something like 9-0 versus both city and state law enforcement in Oregon. Iowa is not that different. Here are my steps to winning:

1. When you get pulled over, be courteous. Do not admit anything however. Take note of all the surroundings mentally. You will have time to take notes when the officer is doing your paperwork. Get out a notepad and jot down what was said, weather conditions, traffic conditions, etc.
2. Show up to contest the ticket, or notify the office that you are contesting. In Oregon, you show up to say you are "not guilty" if you want to contest. They schedule a court date for you after that. The clerks here are programmed to talk you into pleading "guilty" or "no contest" which is not really too much difference. Either way they get your $$ without any more discussion.
3. Prepare for court. Go to the local law library or online and look up the statute you violated, allegedly. Note if the officer was correct in what he wrote the violation for. Often there is some doubt if they noted everything correct on the ticket. Copy the statute, and study it. Print a copy for court, along with a photocopy of the ticket.
4. Once in court, have all your documents ready, along with possible photographs of the scene of your violation. With smartphones, printing photos of the location of the violation may be helpful and necessary. I have done this a time or two to help explain the situation.
5. In court, dress nice, shave/prep appearance wise. In my experience, even as a younger adult (say 30 years old or less) there are people that come in to court with hats on sideways, pants sagging of their ***, unshaven, etc. Obviously do not be one of these people.....they are typically guilty by appearance alone. My thoughts are, be professional, polite, and confident. Dress for a job interview.
6. Once in court, the judge will have the officer (if they show up....this is hit and miss in terms of percentage of their attendance) present his side of the violation. Typically they have a small notepad that states very little in terms of the violation....basically saying he was in a patrol car, in uniform, and clocked/observed you speeding/doing something illegal. After this, you have your turn to present your own case.
7. I typically thank the judge for hearing my side, as well as I thank the officer for being there and serving the community. This is being professional, and kissing a little *** at the same time. Cops do not have easy jobs, and you are showing that you recognize this. Its respectful, timely, and important in court. After that, present your side of the story. Be honest, present facts, and other information that may place some doubt in the judge's mind. If there could have been a mistake in the facts, make sure you present this. Show documents, quote the statute, etc for whatever is applicable here. I typically will not cross examine the officer, as that can be dicey as a regular joe (not attorney). Most judges probably do not want you to do that, as it may ruin your credibility as a "good regular joe".
7. Thank the judge, and answer their questions if they have any. I have had them ask a few questions most times, and they are usually just clarifying what you have presented. Some times they ask the officer some questions. At this point you are in good shape if you have created any doubt in the mind of the judge. After they have rendered many others in the courtroom guilty (people that are not prepared, saggy pants, disrespectful idiots, etc) you may be given a "not guilty" or at the minimum, a significant reduction in your fine.

Like I said, I am like 9-0 in court here in Oregon. There were times I was really not guilty, and others I probably was dead to rights. Show up, contest, and let the system figure it out. I have appealed a time or two as well, and that came out in my favor as well. The key is to not have any tickets on your record.....unfortunately. Once you have one, it can snowball....that, and you lose a lot of credibility when you get pulled over again, or if you go to court. Once you are clean....stay that way. I have not had a ticket stick since I moved to Oregon....nearly 17 years. The first year I got my sports car back in 1999 (1991 Nissan 300zx twin turbo) I got pulled over 19 times.....zero tickets that stuck however. I drove nuts, but was also both lucky and smart about dealing with them. I have since mellowed out.....most of the time.

Good luck.....get a Valentine 1 too.
So apparently your time is worth about $2 an hour to you by the time you factor in all the bull **** you're doing.
 

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I got pulled over in Des Moines for going 5 over. The location he was at when he had his radar gun out was right where it turned from a 60mph to 55. He got me for 1-5 over.

He asked me how my record was (they already know this)
I said it was good, he came back and said "you're right it was good, now here's a ticket."

It's funny because you post this not knowing it's all about the money, nothing else.
 

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I got pulled over in Des Moines for going 5 over. The location he was at when he had his radar gun out was right where it turned from a 60mph to 55. He got me for 1-5 over.

He asked me how my record was (they already know this)
I said it was good, he came back and said "you're right it was good, now here's a ticket."

I actually had a cop flat out tell me why he pulled me over, and that he was sorry I was getting a ticket. It was mainly because it was in the middle of Kansas, so I wasn't going to show up to any court date and would pay the fine.
 

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Tickets while owning a radar detector in 5 years - 5.
Tickets while going <10 over for 15 years - 0.
 

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Tickets in the last 5 years of owning a radar detector=0

Wait....I did get a ticket in my wife's car a couple of year ago. She doesn't have a radar detector.

I drive the speed limit when it's 25 and drive about 25% above the speed limit everywhere else.
 

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Tickets in the last 5 years of owning a radar detector=0

Wait....I did get a ticket in my wife's car a couple of year ago. She doesn't have a radar detector.

I drive the speed limit when it's 25 and drive about 25% above the speed limit everywhere else.
So you're saying you got a ticket while you owned a radar detector? Case closed, gentlemen.
 

dmclone

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You should try leaving earlier instead of driving like an *** hole.

I drive what I feel is comfortable and safe. I follow the rest of the rules like using my turn signal, using the left lane for passing only, slow down at night, and usually drive slower then everyone else when the roads are bad. I guess if you want to call that driving like an *******, go ahead. Besides a solo motorcycle accident when I was 18 (going the speed limit) I've never been in or caused an accident in my nearly 30 years of driving.
 
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If you think about it, set speed limits are really worthless. Lets look at 235 as an example.


I'm usually on 235 at about 5am in the morning where there is very little traffic. I've been using this same road at about the same time for the last 15 years. I've yet to see one accident during this time that didn't have to do with weather.

So 60mph is the speed limit.

Should it be the same speed limit for a 2014 Volvo with all the technology/safety it has in place as a 50 year old Buick that stops in twice the distance? How about semi's?

Should it be the same in the day as in the night?

Should it not make a difference how much traffic is around?
 

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You guys should seen the Caravan of Cyclone fans following me on I-35 going down to the Big12 Championship game. Probably 6-7 cars all going 90. Passing other Cyclone fans of course. :yes:
 

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If you think about it, set speed limits are really worthless. Lets look at 235 as an example.


I'm usually on 235 at about 5am in the morning where there is very little traffic. I've been using this same road at about the same time for the last 15 years. I've yet to see one accident during this time that didn't have to do with weather.

So 60mph is the speed limit.

Should it be the same speed limit for a 2014 Volvo with all the technology/safety it has in place as a 50 year old Buick that stops in twice the distance? How about semi's?

Should it be the same in the day as in the night?

Should it not make a difference how much traffic is around?


Yes, it should be the same.

Just making the sign for your style of speed limit would be an enormous cost, essentially just for your benefit.
There's no reason to overcomplicate something very simple.