Rumor: ND in talks to join as Full member of ACC

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  1. TXCyclones

    TXCyclones Well-Known Member

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    Quick question. How much money does Notre Dame currently get paid each year for their games on tv? By comparison, would that number go up when split across all of the ACC?
     
  2. BMWallace

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    This just reaffirms my thoughts that Wake Forest is easily the weakest P5 school. They share a state with 3 others in their conference, are a small private school with a small stadium. If they weren't already in the ACC, they would be laughed at for trying to get into a major conference.
     
  3. Tornado man

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    I agree, and in terms of overall athletic budget, they are close to ISU, and get compared to us a lot. But they are nowhere near us in terms of fan base. And neither are others that we get compared to, like Indiana, Oregon State, Purdue, etc.
     
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    I really don't get the Rutgers "magic" either, but somehow there was enough there for the Big Ten to pick them up and use them to force BTN on the cable networks up there. Maybe by some crazy osmosis effect, if you are in large population area (like Rutgers and USF). you get football fans.
     
  5. Sigmapolis

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    I think that pretty obviously "make the NYC TV market carry the BTN, even if approximately four people are going to watch it on Saturday afternoon."

    Maryland was a good academic fit, but I think they could have cared less about Rutgers. Their crappy teams mean little as long as the NYC $$$ keeps coming.

    The Tampa and Orlando markets are not inconsiderable, either.

    I have lived in Florida (rather briefly) and my in-laws mostly live in those two areas. Floridians care about their team from "back home" given so many of them have moved there (most of my wife's family grew up in Wisconsin, so they are still good cheesehead Packer and Badger fans), UF and FSU, the Bucs and the Rays, and THEN (distant) UCF and USF.

    There are a bunch of schools that "won the tiebreaker" because of their population bases for cable TV that will lose next time around because of their lame fan bases.
     
  6. EYEoftheSTORM

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    This is a valid point and I agree with it to a point. Sure if you look at it today weekly matchups against Texas, Penn State, Oregon, and Michigan sound awesome. But 2 or 3 years of Georgia, Nebraska, or Washington going 3-9 in this super is going to put you in the exact predicament the big boys are in now.

    Bottom line, the bottom feeders are just as important as the big dogs.
     
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  7. SECyclone

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    Agree 100%. Bring back conferences by region. I miss the days of close road trips.
     
  8. Cycsk

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    The Rhodes Scholar is not just an academic thing. It is an award that combines academic and athletic excellence. Here are the numbers of Rhodes Scholars by SEC and Big 12 conferences:

    Auburn 4, LSU 14, Miss St 2, TAM 5, Alabama 15, Florida 12, Georgia 24, Mississippi 25, SC 9, Tenn 7, Vanderbilt 26, Kent 9, Missouri 18, Arkansas 10

    Baylor 5, Iowa State 5, K-State 13, O-State 1, TCU 2, Kansas 27, Oklahoma 28, Texas 29, WV 24, TTU 1.

    I don't think Boren cares that much about academic elitism. He just wants institutional power.
     
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    How many people are primarily fans of their university? Not USF, UConn, or Rutgers fans. Most have their devotion split many ways. Much more than us.
     
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    What I'm gathering for this is that the Rhodes people don't like ag schools.
     
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    #112 jbhtexas, May 17, 2017
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    The academic reputation of OU is important to Boren. From Berry Trammel, last year about this time when Big 12 expansion was talk was rampant:

    https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/collegesports/2016/05/18/oklahoma-columnist-know-texas-feels-like-important-save-big-12

    And from a few days ago:
    http://newsok.com/article/5548946
     
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  13. Al_4_State

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    If OU makes the playoffs this year, they'll shut up.

    We should all hope for OU and Texas to be regular playoff participants and for each of them to get a national championship in the next 5 years. If that happens, you won't hear a word about the Big 12 being weak and their incentive to move will be gone. No one else is in a position to proactively join a more profitable league.
     
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  14. ISUalum2012

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    I want this. Obviously room for discussion with some teams included and what region they're in, but in general 8 regions with 9 teams seems optimal.

    Regular season is reduced to 11 games (8 regional + 3 free schedule), and the playoffs are expanded to 16 teams (8 regional winners + 8 at large bids).

    hypothetical regions.png
     
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    The only thing I'd prefer to that set up is using the 8 9 team divisions and recreating the Big 8 + Colorado State.
     
  16. Sigmapolis

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    #116 Sigmapolis, May 17, 2017
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    Here is an 8x10 that I liked (80 instead of the 72 in your 8x9)...

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    Pretty similar overall, though. The cores and regions of emphasis for the eight conferences is the same. Not having KU/Miz and UF/UGA in conferences hurts me to see. Putting the Oklahoma schools in with California schools (and not Texas schools) hurts, as well.
     
  17. mctallerton

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    I understand the idea is a regional thing but the balance in some of these conferences is terrible (not your fault).
     
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  18. Sigmapolis

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    I do not think there is a way around that if you go geographical.

    I imagine that would work itself out over time, though -- e.g., Nebraska might return to some more prominence in its own pond without Texas, OU, tOSU, and Michigan around.
     
  19. ISUalum2012

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    Balance is certainly a concern, but it already is to some extent. In my 8x9 set up at least each region has some sort of historical power.

    NW: Oregon/Stanford
    SW: USC
    MW: Nebraska/Wisc
    North: Mich/OSU/Notre Dame
    S: Texas/LSU
    SE: Loaded
    E: Clemson/Georgia
    NE: Penn St

    I think each conference would be competitive, but obviously the SE is dumb loaded.
     
  20. mctallerton

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    Its not your fault, I would think some of the teams would be willing to travel a bit more in order to stay out of such power loaded conferences. It also isn't just a football thing, The Great Lakes is stacked in basketball too.
     

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