Richardson/Messingham
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I saw a similar stat on Saturday during the game. You can't argue with the numbers, but I really want to :twitcy:
I do as well. I think the talent is there, but the QB's have been developed poorly and blamed consistently for an ineffective scheme.
I agree with a spread offense. I just hate this god awful excuse for an offense we have with the read option. Just get rid of it already. It's a fad that is quickly going away already. In the NFL, the 49ers have all but abandoned it already, and we see how much RGIII and Washington are tearing it up.
Give me a competent OC and an actual quality scheme and I think SR can be great in it. Something even like a traditional WCO would work, I think.
Give me a competent OC and an actual quality scheme and I think SR can be great in it. Something even like a traditional WCO would work, I think.
THIS THIS THIS! Again, Sam is not the issue and is probably the best all-around QB we've had in the position for quite some time. Build the game plan around his capabilities. Rewatching film again and seeing that Sam really does a decent job of going through his reads when given time, and he throws a better ball than Rohach too. It's simply that our offensive play calling is awful.
Messingham and Rhoads are not listening. Somehow they are convinced that Messingham knows what he is doing, and perceive our last few years as an Offensive success. Doing enough to lose is going to have to be good enough I guess.
Rep gun out of pew. Like button broken. Quote is the best I can do.
This reminds me of Steele vs Jared, Jared vs Tiller, Steele vs Tiller, Arnaud vs Tiller, Sam vs Jared, Sam vs Steele. The Wheel of QB.
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You have one RB and 0 offensive linemen for the I formation. Pro style is also largely shotgun these days.
Oh no another Messy thread :twitcy:
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/178379-if-we-fire-messingham-what-type-oc-could-we-get.html
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/foo...-next-year-will-you-buy-football-tickets.html
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/foo...ingham-mid-season-would-light-spark-team.html
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/177538-fire-all-coaches.html
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/177938-courtney-messingham-can-we-fire-him-now.html
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/178379-if-we-fire-messingham-what-type-oc-could-we-get.html
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/foo...-next-year-will-you-buy-football-tickets.html
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/foo...ingham-mid-season-would-light-spark-team.html
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/177538-fire-all-coaches.html
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/177938-courtney-messingham-can-we-fire-him-now.html
This. The issue is the OC and the scheme. QB carousel is a short sighted, short term excuse for the staff, IMO.
Can anybody give a breakdown of how Sam is doing in the first quarter of games against 1st team defenses?
What is this "scheme" you refer to?
Because all I have seen for 4 years is "throw some feces at the wall and see what sticks".
For the first time in a decade, I walked away from the tv during an ISU game on Saturday. I had stuff to do, and it wasn't fun to watch. Truth be told, I almost walked away last week as well, but the 2nd quarter rally kept me going. There was no rally this week. I walked away as soon as I saw SR on the sidelines with the headset on, and then checked in only sporadically as I chose to blow out my sprinkler system instead.
I hate QB instability... SR seems to be the guy most of the time, so I think we should be sticking with him. Pulling someone because they screwed up as punishment (it's what it looks like) plays havoc on the starter's confidence. SR is missing throws, and is banged up, so I agree that he's part of the problem. I think he excels when he runs as he doesn't have to look over his shoulder to see which O Linemen missed their assignment, got torched, etc while trying to pass. Still, he's definitely missed some throws, and the interceptions were bad Saturday.
CPR/Mess/Herman (or is it just CPR) manage qbs like guys in a hurry manage lane changes on the interstate during rush hour... Things are moving along steadily (gaining experience) and then we freak out that we're missing something and change lanes (enter Rohach), only to have to slam on our brakes (3 & out). Then you try to change back, and pretty soon it's a giant clusterpuck, and you're 30 cars further back than if you'd stayed in the same lane the whole time. I get it, Sam's injured... Maybe they are seeing something great from Rohach in practice, but then I'd expect him start (this weekend?). If we accomplish nothing else this season, my hope was that we'd have figured out the qb situation. Now it's looking like that won't happen, which is the absolute worst case scenario IMO for ISU football next year.
At the end of the day, if we're going to see a better record next year we need to figure out the QB and upgrade the talent across the board on the OL and DL. Are Jucos the answer to all of this??? I agree with the coaches that this team might actually be the fastest and most athletic we've ever had, but if we can't get the ball into the right guy's hands at the right time, then obviously that doesn't matter. All year I though we'd see improvement, but with the injuries and the sinking ship that is our offense, plus our young, still learning defense, I'm really worried. TCU was a winnable game... KU was a winnable game. Both have shown more promise than us. (KU has been able to start fast, and TCU has a stout defense to fall back on). WV should have been winnable, but if we can't put points up, then it doesn't matter.
I hate QB instability... SR seems to be the guy most of the time, so I think we should be sticking with him. Pulling someone because they screwed up as punishment (it's what it looks like) plays havoc on the starter's confidence. SR is missing throws, and is banged up, so I agree that he's part of the problem. I think he excels when he runs as he doesn't have to look over his shoulder to see which O Linemen missed their assignment, got torched, etc while trying to pass. Still, he's definitely missed some throws, and the interceptions were bad Saturday.
CPR/Mess/Herman (or is it just CPR) manage qbs like guys in a hurry manage lane changes on the interstate during rush hour... Things are moving along steadily (gaining experience) and then we freak out that we're missing something and change lanes (enter Rohach), only to have to slam on our brakes (3 & out). Then you try to change back, and pretty soon it's a giant clusterpuck, and you're 30 cars further back than if you'd stayed in the same lane the whole time. I get it, Sam's injured... Maybe they are seeing something great from Rohach in practice, but then I'd expect him start (this weekend?). If we accomplish nothing else this season, my hope was that we'd have figured out the qb situation. Now it's looking like that won't happen, which is the absolute worst case scenario IMO for ISU football next year.
At the end of the day, if we're going to see a better record next year we need to figure out the QB and upgrade the talent across the board on the OL and DL. Are Jucos the answer to all of this??? I agree with the coaches that this team might actually be the fastest and most athletic we've ever had, but if we can't get the ball into the right guy's hands at the right time, then obviously that doesn't matter. All year I though we'd see improvement, but with the injuries and the sinking ship that is our offense, plus our young, still learning defense, I'm really worried. TCU was a winnable game... KU was a winnable game. Both have shown more promise than us. (KU has been able to start fast, and TCU has a stout defense to fall back on). WV should have been winnable, but if we can't put points up, then it doesn't matter.
