Repealing the Drinking Age?

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The three tier liquor distribution system needs to be junked too.

The only reason it exists is to wet the beaks of the middlemen. Liquor producers should be able to sell directly to retailers and earn what the market supports.

But I guess involving a wholesaler is "good for the children" and not a money grab to line the pockets of political friends
 

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go to Colorado you drink smoke dope and ruin your life
People who are going to abuse drugs and alcohol are usually going to do it whether it's legal or not.

Why not spend the money treating people with these problems rather than spending all that money on the drug war.

Making it illegal forces the supply to come from south of the border, giving power to cartels, which causes a lot of violence and deaths.
 

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Unfortunately this (total repeal of a drinking age) will probably never happen because no one wants to have their name and political career tied to the mess that will happen during the adjustment of our society to this. The drinking age has led to ridiculous "coming of age" madness surrounding drinking. Instead of people growing up around alcohol and drinking in moderation we have a society that keeps it from everyone until right about the time they are leaving home and exerting their independence; what a horrible combination. Instead of drinking being no big deal it is tied in our society to exerting independence and coming of age. There will be a horrible adjustment for our society to finally get into a healthy relationship with alcohol.
This is a problem with "legislating morality". The most vocal, most uptight foist their view of morality on others, and sensible and/or practical ways of dealing with differing levels of tolerance go flying out the window.
 

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People who are going to abuse drugs and alcohol are usually going to do it whether it's legal or not.

Why not spend the money treating people with these problems rather than spending all that money on the drug war.

Making it illegal forces the supply to come from south of the border, giving power to cartels, which causes a lot of violence and deaths.
What is marijuana? Since it's illegal it's just not possible to find with a quick phone call. The prohibition has completely removed it from society

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From my understanding that is because the Federal gov't ties receiving cetain Federal highway dollars to requiring the receiving states to have 21 yr old drinking age.
Its the only reason it went to 21 in the first place, and this type of law shouldnt be allowed. Hell, its one of the better examples of the negatives of the 17th amendment- there is no way senators elected by state legislators would have allowed that type of control over state governments.

At very least we need to remove that form of federal blackmail, and then let states decide for themselves. Some would likely still be 21, but at least states could decide for themselves.

For a local angle, its no coincidence that problems at veishea first occurred after the 21 law came into effect. With half the student body underage (and the drinking not stopping, despite the law) this just moved half the student body from controlled functions on campus or in relatively controlled campus area bars to house parties. House parties, as fun as we all know they could be, are also where most of the trouble is. Thats where the parties get to a size unmanageable for the host. Thats where you see some kid getting alcohol poisoning because there wasnt a bartender with the requirement to say 'you're done' (or a per-drink price at least slowing down the consumption). That's most often where you see someone walking home unsafely from and ending up in the lake or such.

And yes, i think as a society we might benefit from it being more accepted to have some drinks even earlier than 18. It makes no sense that we expect young kids to learn alcohol responsibility from their equally inexperienced friends. Kids should be learning alcohol responsibility at home, with moderate amounts of beer\wine (like with dinner) so they are well aware of their limits before they are thrown out into the world.
 

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A poor ruling that came at the height of "Just Say No" and all that jazz.
I'm not necessarily a fan of lowering it, but I at least wish states had the opportunity to make legislation lowering it and challenge the federal law. It seems unnecessary to handcuff states through federal funding.
 

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As one who was able to legally drink at age 18, I would recommend:

1. Change the age to 19. 18 was too young to drink. Students showed up at high school hung-over, and some would go out for a few beers at lunch.

2. Not allow anyone with alcohol in their system to be behind the wheel of the car until they are 21. Let kids learn how to handle alcohol responsibly before they drive after drinking at all.
 

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Its the only reason it went to 21 in the first place, and this type of law shouldnt be allowed. Hell, its one of the better examples of the negatives of the 17th amendment- there is no way senators elected by state legislators would have allowed that type of control over state governments.

At very least we need to remove that form of federal blackmail, and then let states decide for themselves. Some would likely still be 21, but at least states could decide for themselves.

For a local angle, its no coincidence that problems at veishea first occurred after the 21 law came into effect. With half the student body underage (and the drinking not stopping, despite the law) this just moved half the student body from controlled functions on campus or in relatively controlled campus area bars to house parties. House parties, as fun as we all know they could be, are also where most of the trouble is. Thats where the parties get to a size unmanageable for the host. Thats where you see some kid getting alcohol poisoning because there wasnt a bartender with the requirement to say 'you're done' (or a per-drink price at least slowing down the consumption). That's most often where you see someone walking home unsafely from and ending up in the lake or such.

And yes, i think as a society we might benefit from it being more accepted to have some drinks even earlier than 18. It makes no sense that we expect young kids to learn alcohol responsibility from their equally inexperienced friends. Kids should be learning alcohol responsibility at home, with moderate amounts of beer\wine (like with dinner) so they are well aware of their limits before they are thrown out into the world.
Seriously, how much better would this country be without that amendment? I've always said, the problem with democracy is that all the idiots get to vote.
 

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As one who was able to legally drink at age 18, I would recommend:

1. Change the age to 19. 18 was too young to drink. Students showed up at high school hung-over, and some would go out for a few beers at lunch.
This one seems easy enough to enforce with breathalyzers now. You show up with alcohol in your system and youre getting a suspension.
 

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Seriously, how much better would this country be without that amendment? I've always said, the problem with democracy is that all the idiots get to vote.
Yup. We had the house as the direct voice of the people, and the senate that had a different (but needed) angle on things. It was a smart system that should not have been thrown away.
 

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Unfortunately this (total repeal of a drinking age) will probably never happen because no one wants to have their name and political career tied to the mess that will happen during the adjustment of our society to this. The drinking age has led to ridiculous "coming of age" madness surrounding drinking. Instead of people growing up around alcohol and drinking in moderation we have a society that keeps it from everyone until right about the time they are leaving home and exerting their independence; what a horrible combination. Instead of drinking being no big deal it is tied in our society to exerting independence and coming of age. There will be a horrible adjustment for our society to finally get into a healthy relationship with alcohol.
I would think it would take an entire generation to adjust. 20 years of craziness.
 

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The reason I would be for 19 is because you don't want high school kids being able to buy for younger high school kids. 14 year olds (HS Freshman) should not be drinking in excess. Yea, we know you were the exception, you were drinking whiskey since you were 8 but you turned out fine yada yada yada. But almost all college students would be 19 so it would be alright.

Or make it 16 to drink and 18 to drive and do everything else in the country like a lot of these European countries do it. You learn the effects of alcohol before you can even drive. Though it would require a massive overhaul of our public transportation system to be able to do that and that would never happen.
 

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It was a stupid law when they passed it and oddly enough it's still stupid now.

It would be crazy at first, but society would be better off in the long run. I'd personally be in favor of abolishing it completely, removing the taboo associated and teach alcohol responsibility. But that's another thread.