REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

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  1. carvers4math

    carvers4math Well-Known Member

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    Would the stealth bomber escort keep BDJ's behavior under control?
     
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    In numbnuts' case, he isn't naive, just a squawk troll doing his usual thing.
     
  4. Wesley

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    Maybe Fred told Matt to go find another job unless he liked Chicago.
     
  5. Clonefan94

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    Believe what you want, but to be adding to our facilities as we have been, we can't be out spending money like Rockefellers either. Maybe nickel and dime is a bad choice of words, but we certainly don't have the money flowing through our BBall program that Duke and Kentucky have.
     
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    People normally refute stories they do not like...it was a mistake.
     
  7. carvers4math

    carvers4math Well-Known Member

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    Maybe out of sight? Eh, I tend to think that has been exaggerated, imagine that?
     
  8. kberyldial

    kberyldial Well-Known Member

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    It's sensationalism and it's just a crappy article. It takes isolated incidents over YEARS, spins the facts by quoting opinions from sources, and somehow links them together as proof of this mega divide between the AD and the "program." Ultimately, reaching a conclusion set out to the reading public as a "well what if." All in all a fairly sophomoric attempt at some hard hitting story.
     
  9. clone52

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    Thats really a non-issue. Pollard said the new terms would rank him "near" the top 10 nationally. He was top 25, so Pollard exagerated a little bit.

    Sure, he was 7th in the Big 12 in coaches salary, but every coach ahead of him had a better resume that Fred does.
    Bill Self (yes), Rick Barnes, Bob Huggins, Lon Kruger, Bruce Webber, Tubby Smith and Scott Drew have all accomplished more than Fred has. Given time, I think Fred would out do them all, though.
     
  10. gogagig

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    Not many people would say that Rick Barnes, Huggins, Webber and Tubby Smith warrant higher salaries than Fred
     
  11. johnnydugouts

    johnnydugouts Active Member

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    why exactly is Jamie or Fred's word worth more than the sources of the story?

    Thats not even considering the margin for error due to different interpretations of the same thing.
     
  12. clone52

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    If that was exactly the point, why didn't Hines report "exactly" what happened?
     
  13. isufbcurt

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    What?

    Based on their body of work they do. All have had more NCAA Tournament success than Fred did.
     
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    What was the summary that Travis was trying to get out there? JP is a cheap ***?

    Here's the link to the board of regents budget release from August: http://www.scribd.com/doc/273349415/Iowa-Board-of-Regents-Budgets

    We spent almost all of the money that we brought in. Where do you want the money to come from that Jamie is apparently holding back? The estimated FY'15 shows a surplus of ~$600,000 out of $62,000,000, so maybe Jamie should've spent that on the coaches family or had the basketball staff get a couple rooms for the guys that didn't want to swim.

    Ultimately this whole thing is about the message that was put out there, and the reaction from that story. Travis does really good work, but for an article that was months or years in the making, he sure could've cleaned up the story.

    Iowa State is a growing university and you have to believe that the marketing of the athletics played a role in that growth. We have a BB only practice facility for men and women. We have first class track facilities. We have built some suites, a football only practice facility, and did the unthinkable of bowling in the SEZ.

    So I guess I will forgive JP for ******* off a couple people along the way.
     
  15. laminak

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    Um, Fred's word is definitely worth more than an unnamed source about himself and his relationship with Pollard. He actually experience it. He's with the Bulls now. He took time out of training camp to call back and refute it. Pollard may be frugal and an arse, however Fred's word sealed the deal for me that the story was BS.
     
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    Wow......Why is answered in your first sentence....we know what Jamie and Fred said because we heard it, and we know their names. We have absolutely no clue who were the so-called "sources". Is that really too difficult for you to understand, or are you just being your normal, deliberately obtuse self?
     
  17. clone52

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    He went publically on radio and said it was BS.
     
  18. jsb

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    Another possibility for the cheap comments (hotels, trips, tickets). Maybe the coaches ******* about them and when they did Fred told them it was the ADs fault. Even though Fred knew about it and approved. Fred never wants to be the bad guy.
     
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    Keith Murphy asked Jaime Pollard about this plainly. Jamie said the press releases from the AD side were never misleading in this regard, it was media reports using the "average salary" of the contract to rank coaches' salaries that were in turn misleading. Jamie also said he spoke with Fred about this when they gave him that extension and raise, that he should be prepared for more scrutiny from fans on that topic.

    I think Murphy also asked Fred something along those lines, more about how JP framed 'increasing salaries' as the reason costs were going up for fans, and Fred blew it off as not that big of a deal.

    Really it seems to me when you hear anything from Jamie or Fred about their interactions with each other, it rings out to be 100% opposite from what the Hines article alleges. I have always come away from conversations or interviews from our coaches and from JP that they have a great working relationship, personally and professionally and nothing gets held back when they work with each other.
     
  20. gogagig

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    Salaries are not based on body of work alone! They're based on the market and likelihood of success. And even if we look at body of work -- guys like Barnes, Huggins, Weber and Tubby have shown they can win. But they've also shown they can't. There's a reason Fred gets the hot job offers, and the others do not.
     

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