RECRUITING: What I'm hearing ... 4-11-20 PM update

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  1. Statefan10

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    I agree. We have 4 roster spots open and realistically need two guys in order for next year's team to be significantly better than last year's. No DeJulius was not averaging 25 at Michigan, but his list of schools are all P5 and most have been solid recently. The same goes for Kier. We're not in the position to be talking down some of these guys. We need help and there aren't unreal players transferring left and right, especially this year.
     
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    An NBA player that played overseas for 2 years before getting his shot on a 2-way contract?
     
  3. RustShack

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    We hear that all the time about transfers and jucos. Weirdly it’s pretty common for them to do better after sitting out and having a better supporting cast. Obviously we’ve had some do worse as well. But we’ve had enough do better.
     
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    Abdel Nader is really the only guy who I can really think of who came from a program below a high-major who got significantly better/was a useful piece at Iowa State.

    Some guys can from poor high-major programs (e.g., Chris Babb from Penn State and Will Clyburn from Utah), but those were at least Big Ten and Pac-12 schools.
     
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    DeAndre Kane as well.
     
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  6. RustShack

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    Sometimes a new coach, system, and supporting cast makes all the difference. Sometimes sitting out a year helps them improve a lot.

    And sometimes they just are what they are.
     
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    Like who? Jacobson is the only one I can think of that benefited from a better supporting cast, but he transferred from a comparable P5 roster/schedule, not a midmajor.

    Which of Nixon, Beverly, Brase, Talley, Bowie, or Holden did better? Gulp. Going back to Hoiberg transfers, Nadar (first year here, not senior year), BDJ (he was on a talented UNLV team), Booker, Edozie (juco’s really shouldn’t be in this sample) didn’t exactly do better their first year in the Big 12.

    Anderson, 10 years ago, under a different staff did better. Kane was obviously much better. Clyburn was similar, but not the same as going from Troy to ISU.

    All that said, I’m optimistic Johnson will improve in his off year, and we get something close to what he put up at Troy. Adjusting for tempo and minutes per game.
     
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    Good point -- I was only thinking of guys who took redshirts.

    Every transfer since 2010 from a non-P6 school...

    Darion "Jake" Anderson
    Anthony Booker

    DeAndre Kane
    Abdel Nader

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    Darrell Bowie

    Merrill Holden
    Hans Brase
    Jeff Beverly
    Zoran Talley
    Prentiss Nixon
    Javan Johnson

    I think the only undeniable hits there are Nader and Kane.

    Anderson, Booker, and Bowie were okay, so I italicized them. You could maybe make a case for Talley here... maybe... and we do not know about Johnson.

    That is not a list with a high batting average, however.

    Here is the same list for guys from high-majors...

    Chris Allen
    Chris Babb
    Royce White
    Korie Lucious
    Will Clyburn
    Jameel McKay
    Bryce Dejean-Jones
    Deonte Burton
    Hallice Cooke
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    Nick Weiler-Babb (sort of a tweener between regimes, assign how you want to)
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    Ray Kasongo
    Marial Shayok
    Michael Jacobson

    I would say basically everybody up there is a hit save Cooke and Kasongo. Yes, I would include Jacobson, though BDJ could certainly be a little boom-bust.
     
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    A guy like Talley would be a great piece for next season; he held his own in B12 play and actually handled the ball at times when needed.
     
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    Nader is not a fair example. He was first-team all state in Illinois and only went to a low level school because he didn't have the grades and bigger teams didn't think he'd qualify. Heck his coach at Northern was recruiting Nader to when he was an assistant at Mich St.

    Nader was always viewed as a big time talent.
     
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