Realignment, Alliance, and the Future of College Athletics

[cyclones500]

No way they leave out Minnesota if there are three protected rivals. Isn't Floyd of Rosedale the oldest trophy game?

Not sure about nationally, but it's long-running and near top of BiG rivalries, with combination of first year + # of meetings (1891, 113 meetings) ...

Even with that isn't 1st. (but close)

Paul Bunyan's Axe: 1890, 127 meetings.
Old Oaken Bucket: 1891, 121 meetings.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Not sure about nationally, but it's long-running and near top of BiG rivalries, with combination of first year + # of meetings (1891, 113 meetings) ...

Even with that isn't 1st. (but close)

Paul Bunyan's Axe: 1890, 127 meetings.
Old Oaken Bucket: 1891, 121 meetings.

Always thought it was weird having multiple Paul Bunyan trophies, get creative big ten

 

[cyfan92]

 

[cyfan92]

^ This REALLY points to a 4 pod with 3 teams each pod structure

 

[CascadeClone]

^ This REALLY points to a 4 pod with 3 teams each pod structure

Why? if they stay at 18 games, then with 4 pods, you would have 4 games vs you podmates, and 14 to split up amongst the other 3. I can't get that to balance simply.

Seems like 3 pods of 4 fits that better. You play 6 games vs podmates, then 8 games vs one pod and 4 vs the other. And switch the pod you play twice every year. AKA 6-8-4 / 6-4-8 scheduling. You can take the 3 pod winners plus a wildcard for byes in the conference tournament, that will be fair almost every year anyway.

 

[Gorm]

Not sure about nationally, but it's long-running and near top of BiG rivalries, with combination of first year + # of meetings (1891, 113 meetings) ...

Even with that isn't 1st. (but close)

Paul Bunyan's Axe: 1890, 127 meetings.
Old Oaken Bucket: 1891, 121 meetings.

I was referring to the trophy itself. I know the Axe is now just a stand in for the "slab of bacon." It does appear that the Oaken buckets trophy beginnings were prior to Floyd as well.

 

[heitclone]

I think they could do some kind of 6-8-4 rotation without having to get formal with labels like pods or divisions. Just protect 3 rivalries for everyone and rotate the other 8 teams.

 

[cyfan92]

Why? if they stay at 18 games, then with 4 pods, you would have 4 games vs you podmates, and 14 to split up amongst the other 3. I can't get that to balance simply.

Seems like 3 pods of 4 fits that better. You play 6 games vs podmates, then 8 games vs one pod and 4 vs the other. And switch the pod you play twice every year. AKA 6-8-4 / 6-4-8 scheduling. You can take the 3 pod winners plus a wildcard for byes in the conference tournament, that will be fair almost every year anyway.

ISU, KU, KSU
BYU, BU, TCU
Tech, UH, OSU
Cincy, WV, UCF
UT, OU - thru 2025

You play your pod and a rotating pod for home and away in basketball. Then you play the other two pods plus UT and OU at least once

 

[cyfan92]

Cincinnati, Houston, UCF to join Big 12 in 2023 as AAC paves way for Conference USA additions

The three AAC schools join BYU as new additions to the Big 12 in time for the 2023 season

www.cbssports.com

 

[cyfan92]

Houston, Cincy, UCF to join Big 12 in 2023

The three former AAC schools will be joining the Big 12 alongside BYU, which was formally an independent.

theathletic.com

Anyone care to summarize? They don't deserve our money with current coverage

 

[simply1]

Houston, Cincy, UCF to join Big 12 in 2023

The three former AAC schools will be joining the Big 12 alongside BYU, which was formally an independent.

theathletic.com

Anyone care to summarize? They don't deserve our money with current coverage

Nothing different in that story than the others

 

[cyfan92]

Fanbase_Sizes-DRAFTv1.pdf

drive.google.com

This poor guy did A LOT of work to only look like an idiot..

BYU is FAR and away the #1 fanbase in the new Big 12. I think TCU, KSU and Baylor would bring up the rear

 

[theshadow]

This methodology reads as if they just used conference payouts and AD budgets to determine fanbase sizes:

Estimates based on Knight Commission and NCAA data, allocating proportionate estimates of overall costs to reported football costs, and estimating earned revenue per conference and media reports of proportionality. 2019-20 data and based on 85 scholarship players.

 

[cyclones500]

Fanbase_Sizes-DRAFTv1.pdf

drive.google.com

View attachment 99678

This poor guy did A LOT of work to only look like an idiot..

BYU is FAR and away the #1 fanbase in the new Big 12. I think TCU, KSU and Baylor would bring up the rear

I'm not expert but I imagine BYU would be at least higher than that chart shows. KSU above KU makes no sense to me. Maybe ISU's placement is close to accurate.

How would you rank the full list to be the most accurate?

 

[Cloneon]

Fanbase_Sizes-DRAFTv1.pdf

drive.google.com

View attachment 99678

This poor guy did A LOT of work to only look like an idiot..

BYU is FAR and away the #1 fanbase in the new Big 12. I think TCU, KSU and Baylor would bring up the rear

Couldn't agree more. "Average Fanbase Size Estimates" What the hell is that? And, how can anyone justify any numbers associated with that? So much wrong with that and dumb enough to put it in words. "Synthesis of 2011, 2014 & 2019 NYT + NYT 538 studies"? Geez. Starting with 'Synthesis'; implying narrative to fit what they want. Then cherry picking years. Then choosing an east coast paper. OMG. Does it get any dumber?

 

[cysmiley]

Houston, Cincy, UCF to join Big 12 in 2023

The three former AAC schools will be joining the Big 12 alongside BYU, which was formally an independent.

theathletic.com

Anyone care to summarize? They don't deserve our money with current coverage

Wife got an email, her subscription to the NYT now includes the Athletic, probably got bought out by NYT, may have to up their ethics in reporting,

 

[cyfan92]

I'd rank for 2023 fanbases (football+mbb):

UT
BYU
OU
OSU
Cincy - CFP, Is this too high?
TT
WV
ISU
KU - Dead last for football
KSU
UCF
UH
BU
TCU

 

[cysmiley]

Couldn't agree more. "Average Fanbase Size Estimates" What the hell is that? And, how can anyone justify any numbers associated with that? So much wrong with that and dumb enough to put it in words. "Synthesis of 2011, 2014 & 2019 NYT + NYT 538 studies"? Geez. Starting with 'Synthesis'; implying narrative to fit what they want. Then cherry picking years. Then choosing an east coast paper. OMG. Does it get any dumber?

Who the hell is ALtmoreCollins, other than a NY PR firm. Also no peer reviews of methodology or confirming outside studies. This is no more than an op-ed piece, wrapped up in pretty paper to make it seem to be factual.

 

[cyfan92]

A great read and listen for those interested. Pollard states a new commish will likely be voted on at the end of the month with a announcement at media day.

Jamie is such a great rep for ISU and out interests

HCS Exclusive Interview with Iowa State AD Jamie Pollard

On Tuesday, Iowa State athletic director Jamie Pollard joined the Heartland College Sports podcast to talk about the future of the Big 12, NIL, and the future of the NCAA among other things. One of the biggest storylines in college football right now is the rule change of requiring divisions in...

www.heartlandcollegesports.com

 

[CascadeClone]

Who the hell is ALtmoreCollins, other than a NY PR firm. Also no peer reviews of methodology or confirming outside studies. This is no more than an op-ed piece, wrapped up in pretty paper to make it seem to be factual.

I think some of you have never dealt with consultants before...

They did another report a year or two ago on the different schools and realignment, and it was really about 80-90% well done. Had some good intel on academics as well as athletics, and some good proxy measures for different things.

This one, I agree, is super squishy and subjective and appears not well reasoned, and of course their algorithm is secret. Maybe they are right, but it sure doesn't seem that way and with no detail on the math there's no way to know if they are idiots or insightful.

This feels like a marketing tease to get some business doing some consulting for AAC or ACC schools.