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akellar

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Ok I think I'm seeing things, but in the last picture it looks like we either have 12 men on the field or only a 4 man line. Pretty sure neither is gonna be legal? By my count there are 5 WR's, QB, RB, and I would assume 5 OL (although I can only see 4 helmets). Did I miss a rule change somewhere?
 

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I don't think the number of linemen matters as long as you have 7 on the line of scrimmage. Look at some of the wicked formations you see now...
 

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I don't think the number of linemen matters as long as you have 7 on the line of scrimmage. Look at some of the wicked formations you see now...

I'm pretty sure you have to have 5 in a "down" position. Maybe I'm wrong? And I believe theres a rule about how far their splits can be too, guessing being split out is too far.
 

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Ok I think I'm seeing things, but in the last picture it looks like we either have 12 men on the field or only a 4 man line. Pretty sure neither is gonna be legal? By my count there are 5 WR's, QB, RB, and I would assume 5 OL (although I can only see 4 helmets). Did I miss a rule change somewhere?
Getting ready to play Simon Fraser.
 

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I'm pretty sure you have to have 5 in a "down" position. Maybe I'm wrong? And I believe theres a rule about how far their splits can be too, guessing being split out is too far.
That can't be right. Think about the funky formations where they spread the whole field, or have the center and guards down, and then the tackles are lined up as receivers. Wish I had my PS3 so I could figure out the shotgun formation in NCAA Football 2010 like that.
 

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That can't be right. Think about the funky formations where they spread the whole field, or have the center and guards down, and then the tackles are lined up as receivers. Wish I had my PS3 so I could figure out the shotgun formation in NCAA Football 2010 like that.

Yeah the weird extra point formation just came to mind too. Not sure, come on there has to be a football official on this board somewhere that knows for sure?
 

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WIde receiver can be down and you have to have 5 in the box.
Then how do teams start extra points with the linemen off to the sidelines and only the snapper, holder, and kicker in the field? It's completely legal to snap it that way...
 

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I'm pretty sure you have to have 5 in a "down" position. Maybe I'm wrong? And I believe theres a rule about how far their splits can be too, guessing being split out is too far.
I thought only two on the LOS can be receivers, they must not be covered up, and you need at least 7 on the line. Clearly 5 men will not be able to catch a pass (the ones covered up). It makes sense those spots are traditionally filled with guys who can block, and by convention are called O-Lineman.
 
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I see 5 O-linemen helmets

the LG helmet is clearly visible, and the RG arm is visible too
 

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I thought only two on the LOS can be receivers, they must not be covered up, and you need at least 7 on the line. Clearly 5 men will not be able to catch a pass (the ones covered up). It makes sense those spots are traditionally filled with guys who can block and by convention are called O-Lineman.
Ace has 3 receivers on the LOS. (2 TE's, 1 WR)
 

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Not that Wiki is always correct but here's what it states. Guess it is legal, just odd.

The formation must have at least 7 players on the line of scrimmage[1]. The 7 players are not required to be next to each other, so they may spread out across the width of the field, but this is rare; most offenses place at least 5 players together in a continuous line. Although it is rare (because it reduces the number of eligible receivers), teams may place more than 7 players on the line
The other players not on the line (usually 4 in number) may be positioned anywhere, but all must be at least 1 yard behind the 7 or more players on the line of scrimmage[1]. The traditional saying is "7 on the line, 4 in the backfield" but this is something of a misnomer, as "backfield" usually refers to the area directly behind the offensive line. 3 of the 4 "backfield" players (i.e., the 3 not receiving the snap from center) may line up as wide receivers as long as they are behind the line of scrimmage; these are known as slot receivers.
Of the 7 (or more) players on the line of scrimmage, all except those at either end of the line are ineligible receivers: these players may not touch or catch a forward pass[2] (unless it is first touched by an eligible receiver, including a deflection by a defensive player), and on a forward pass play, they may not advance downfield (i.e., across the neutral zone) before the pass crosses the neutral zone. Ineligible receivers may advance freely on a running play or after a pass is thrown. These players typically have uniform numbers in the range 50-79 to indicate they are ineligible.
 

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Ace has 3 receivers on the LOS. (2 TE's, 1 WR)

not always, ace = QB under center, one RB, different combos of WR/TE. The one you're thinking of looks like this:

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