Prohm is a Magician

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He makes 1.5 million dollars per year. He made more money to "coach" that catastrophe last night than many people make in a year. It is his job to fix every little thing. That's why he makes 1.5 million dollars per year. If his players aren't prepared, that's his fault. If he can't get them to reach their potential, that's his fault. If he can't get them to get along for 40 minutes and play as a cohesive unit, that's his fault. At the end of the day it's his program, it's his team, and if he can't get them to perform, it's on him.

I mean, sign me up if you can make 1.5 million dollars per year and you can rely on "well the players didn't do their job" to justify poor performance. Seems like a pretty fool-proof way to become a millionaire.

And Prohm has 100% taken accountability for the slide but in reality he can only do so much. If fans want to sit here and take a crap on Prohm well then they need to tip their cap to him for taking the last place team in the conference and turning them into a tournament team. You can't have it both ways.
 

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And Prohm has 100% taken accountability for the slide but in reality he can only do so much. If fans want to sit here and take a crap on Prohm well then they need to tip their cap to him for taking the last place team in the conference and turning them into a tournament team. You can't have it both ways.

I guess it just depends on your view of this team. To me, the expectation shifted once we realized what we had in Shayok, THT, Haliburton and Jacobson. Once we entered the national radar as a high talent, high potential team, I think things changed. Down Big 12, possible route through the tournament with Des Moines, it all kind of appeared to be right there.

So I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. If you see this as a team that pulled itself from the bottom of the league and finished at our near it's projected preseason slot in the standings, then he did a fine job. If you see this team as something that was capable of achieving a high level of success that has let itself fall from contention, it's not as good of a job.
 
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Two freshmen that start! An overreted sophomore! And a junior with issues! And solo is out!
 

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And Prohm has 100% taken accountability for the slide but in reality he can only do so much. If fans want to sit here and take a crap on Prohm well then they need to tip their cap to him for taking the last place team in the conference and turning them into a tournament team. You can't have it both ways.
Didn’t he coach last year, or are you it’s Year 3 guy?
 

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If it was me, I think I'd assemble my assistants, and meet with each player individually. Ask them to speak freely on their thoughts on the team and what might be wrong (with nothing leaving that room). I think that might help you sort out where the problems lie, so long as the players were willing to say what they really think. In the process, the staff can give each player an assessment of their thoughts on the individual player, and where he needs to improve.

I'm sure all that happens regularly on a less structured basis, but maybe the coaching staff can take that information and formulate a response.
 

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I guess it just depends on your view of this team. To me, the expectation shifted once we realized what we had in Shayok, THT, Haliburton and Jacobson. Once we entered the national radar as a high talent, high potential team, I think things changed. Down Big 12, possible route through the tournament with Des Moines, it all kind of appeared to be right there.

So I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. If you see this as a team that pulled itself from the bottom of the league and finished at our near it's projected preseason slot in the standings, then he did a fine job. If you see this team as something that was capable of achieving a high level of success that has let itself fall from contention, it's not as good of a job.

This is dumb and it was only important to fans because of their own proximity to Des Moines.
 
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I think it's funny that people are still complaining about the timeout usage and in game coaching problems. It's pretty clear that the last couple of games are not due to him taking timeouts at the wrong time. The problems seem to run deeper with lack of team chemistry and players getting sick of each other. You can blame Prohm for that, if you want, but the team chemistry was pretty good early in the season, so something clearly changed. For other in game stuff, do people honestly think that Griffin, Lewis, Talley, Conditt should have been getting more minutes, even early in Big 12 play when things were going well? You can't criticize with the help of hindsight.
 

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I don’t post often, don’t follow sports as closely as most posters and don’t have great basketball knowledge. I am someone who has followed and supported Cyclone athletics for decades, particularly men’s basketball and football.

As admirable a person as Coach Prohm may be, he seems to prioritize building character in his athletes above building a championship basketball team. And by building character, I think Coach Prohm holds a pretty narrow ideal as his standard. And I think that’s part of his problem in communicating with his team.

I hear that Coach Prohm doesn’t let the team listen to their preferred music during practice. I notice infrequent but repetitive comments from Coach Prohm that “God” will determine how the team turns out, or to help the players resolve their issues. Do Coach and the team acknowledge the same god? Might his god rankle someone else’s belief or values system?

And while prioritizing “character,” how is he demonstrating that “character” may involve playing smart and hard in all phases of the game they’re on scholarship to play, and the coaches are paid to teach and implement?

Another poster in this thread referenced Bill Self’s ability to coach elite, egotistical athletes into successful teams. Self and KU athletics are dirty, and I certainly don’t want dirty, but Self is also focused and sufficiently in touch with his players to turn them into an outstanding TEAM, year after year. Huggy too, with lower pedigree players, and Weber, Kruger, and even Drew. Is Prohm of their caliber as a basketball coach?

This year ISU had an outstanding collection of individual talented players thanks to Coach Prohm. However, Prohm coached them into summer league level performances in the second time around the league. His interventions with Cam Lard May have been helpful for Cam as a person. If so, good, that’s great. But has he thrown away the season with his emphasis on molding character to his specifications while leaving outcomes to God?
 
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I don’t post often, don’t follow sports as closely as most posters and don’t have great basketball knowledge. I am someone who has followed and supported Cyclone athletics for decades, particularly men’s basketball and football.

As admirable a person as Coach Prom may be, he seems to prioritize building character in his athletes above building a championship basketball team. And by building character, I think Coach Prom holds a pretty narrow ideal as his standard. And I think that’s part of his problem in communicating with his team.

I hear that Coach Prom doesn’t let the team listen to their preferred music during practice. I notice infrequent but repetitive comments from Coach Prom that “God” will determine how the team turns out, or to help the players resolve their issues. Do Coach and the team acknowledge the same god? Might his god rankle someone else’s belief or values system?

And while prioritizing “character,” how is he demonstrating that “character” may involve playing smart and hard in all phases of the game they’re on scholarship to play, and the coaches are paid to teach and implement?

Another poster in this thread referenced Bill Self’s ability to coach elite, egotistical athletes into successful teams. Self and KU athletics are dirty, and I certainly don’t want dirty, but Self is also focused and sufficiently in touch with his players to turn them into an outstanding TEAM, year after year. Huggy too, with lower pedigree players, and Weber, Kruger, and even Drew. Is Prom of their caliber as a basketball coach?

This year ISU had an outstanding collection of individual talented players thanks to Coach Prom. However, Prom coached them into summer league level performances in the second time around the league. His interventions with Cam Lard May have been helpful for Cam as a person. If so, good, that’s great. But has he thrown away the season with his emphasis on molding character to his specifications while leaving outcomes to God?
He doesn’t let them listen to their OWN music? Damn...
 

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I don’t post often, don’t follow sports as closely as most posters and don’t have great basketball knowledge. I am someone who has followed and supported Cyclone athletics for decades, particularly men’s basketball and football.

As admirable a person as Coach Prom may be, he seems to prioritize building character in his athletes above building a championship basketball team. And by building character, I think Coach Prom holds a pretty narrow ideal as his standard. And I think that’s part of his problem in communicating with his team.

I hear that Coach Prom doesn’t let the team listen to their preferred music during practice. I notice infrequent but repetitive comments from Coach Prom that “God” will determine how the team turns out, or to help the players resolve their issues. Do Coach and the team acknowledge the same god? Might his god rankle someone else’s belief or values system?

And while prioritizing “character,” how is he demonstrating that “character” may involve playing smart and hard in all phases of the game they’re on scholarship to play, and the coaches are paid to teach and implement?

Another poster in this thread referenced Bill Self’s ability to coach elite, egotistical athletes into successful teams. Self and KU athletics are dirty, and I certainly don’t want dirty, but Self is also focused and sufficiently in touch with his players to turn them into an outstanding TEAM, year after year. Huggy too, with lower pedigree players, and Weber, Kruger, and even Drew. Is Prom of their caliber as a basketball coach?

This year ISU had an outstanding collection of individual talented players thanks to Coach Prom. However, Prom coached them into summer league level performances in the second time around the league. His interventions with Cam Lard May have been helpful for Cam as a person. If so, good, that’s great. But has he thrown away the season with his emphasis on molding character to his specifications while leaving outcomes to God?

Are you guys doing the Rhoads thing and intentionally spelling Prohm's name wrong?
 

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I don’t post often, don’t follow sports as closely as most posters and don’t have great basketball knowledge. I am someone who has followed and supported Cyclone athletics for decades, particularly men’s basketball and football.

As admirable a person as Coach Prohm may be, he seems to prioritize building character in his athletes above building a championship basketball team. And by building character, I think Coach Prohm holds a pretty narrow ideal as his standard. And I think that’s part of his problem in communicating with his team.

I hear that Coach Prohm doesn’t let the team listen to their preferred music during practice. I notice infrequent but repetitive comments from Coach Prohm that “God” will determine how the team turns out, or to help the players resolve their issues. Do Coach and the team acknowledge the same god? Might his god rankle someone else’s belief or values system?

And while prioritizing “character,” how is he demonstrating that “character” may involve playing smart and hard in all phases of the game they’re on scholarship to play, and the coaches are paid to teach and implement?

Another poster in this thread referenced Bill Self’s ability to coach elite, egotistical athletes into successful teams. Self and KU athletics are dirty, and I certainly don’t want dirty, but Self is also focused and sufficiently in touch with his players to turn them into an outstanding TEAM, year after year. Huggy too, with lower pedigree players, and Weber, Kruger, and even Drew. Is Prohm of their caliber as a basketball coach?

This year ISU had an outstanding collection of individual talented players thanks to Coach Prohm. However, Prohm coached them into summer league level performances in the second time around the league. His interventions with Cam Lard May have been helpful for Cam as a person. If so, good, that’s great. But has he thrown away the season with his emphasis on molding character to his specifications while leaving outcomes to God?

I'm agreeing with this line on thinking.

I'm also changing the "Out of Gas" expression to "Out of Touch" when referencing CSP.

Once upon a time players would openly man and player love gush about Fred. I don't hear of feel the same gush about CSP. Could be an unfair comparison but the lack of love in the building and all the suspensions/drama last 4 yrs really takes the fun out of it all.
 
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I think coach Prohm is probably one of the top 3 coaches in the Big 12. We’ve just been so spoiled in recent years we haven’t seen it. I mean we beat KState in Manhattan and you don’t see anybody questioning Bruce Weber up there?

1) Bill Self
2) Bruce Weber
3) Steve Prohm

Scott Drew and Chris Beard would probably be next but I don’t like Drew and Beard is only having success with Tubby Smith’s recruits

Yep. Riding the coattails of a Hall of Famer’s success.
 
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Has any player, past or present, made any reference that CSP is 'out of touch'?
 

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I think coach Prohm is probably one of the top 3 coaches in the Big 12. We’ve just been so spoiled in recent years we haven’t seen it. I mean we beat KState in Manhattan and you don’t see anybody questioning Bruce Weber up there?

1) Bill Self
2) Bruce Weber
3) Steve Prohm

Scott Drew and Chris Beard would probably be next but I don’t like Drew and Beard is only having success with Tubby Smith’s recruits
Love Prohm, but Chris Beard is ahead of him as a coach. Beard may be #2 in the league.