Pollard in a war of words with SMU AD

[CySmurf]

I like Jamie but why does he do stuff like this? We are not at a war with SMU or the ACC. The SEC and Big Ten are the enemies.

We're at war with anyone who attempts to harm, badmouth, discredit or belittle the Big12. Period.

 

[ClonerJams]

16 team playoff. Bring back the BCS computer formula.

Boom, I just fixed college football. My price is 1% of the revenue the playoff generates.

 

[Cyhig]

Totally agree Big12 needed some more love but I think you started the season with more ranked teams then the big 10, those teams just fell off.

Also Kansas is still not good, if they beat Baylor I would have given ya that one as a late season surge but getting crushed by them kinda ruined that.

But that's really the point, Preseason expectations are being carried forward through the year. If a couple teams are thought to be the best teams in the conference before the season begins, but it turns out they really aren't great teams, people will then view the conference as being "down"

But what if instead the two best teams in the conference at the end of the year were considered to be the "preseason" favorites? Now people view the conference as being stronger, even though each has the same outcome at the end of the year

That's why I really don't like any preseason or early week polls. We really can't judge the body of work of teams until probably around the end of Oct to beginning of Nov.

 

[HFCS]

Totally agree Big12 needed some more love but I think you started the season with more ranked teams then the big 10, those teams just fell off.

Also Kansas is still not good, if they beat Baylor I would have given ya that one as a late season surge but getting crushed by them kinda ruined that.

Big Ten had 6 ranked, Big 12 5.

That is really good to start though considering Big Ten has two more teams and just obviously more firepower at the top.

KSU isn't ranked now, but they started at 18 and the computer models I follow have had them around 18-22 straight through the whole year. The other 4 that started out ranked totally fell off the map in a bizarre manner. Arizona any informed fan would have predicted. Utah, OK St and Kansas having such bad years was impossible to predict. Utah fans straight up thought they'd be 13-0, I mean 99.9% of them.

ISU was almost ranked to start and 16th now, probably the next least suprising result.

ASU/BYU are just as surprising in the good story way.

 

[12191987]

Yeah, after they won against 3 ranked teams, where were they before? That’s the point. Also Sagrin is notoriously easy to game

They were #27 after week 1 and their absolute lowest at 1-5 they were still #63 not far behind a #57 Vanderbilt at 4-2 fresh off a win over #1 Alabama.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

They were #27 after week 1 and their absolute lowest at 1-5 they were still #63 not far behind a #57 Vanderbilt at 4-2 fresh off a win over #4 Tennessee.

Yeah that’s not good. There are only 68 P4 teams, being 63rd isn’t good. That’s G5 territory

 

[12191987]

Yeah that’s not good. There are only 68 P4 teams, being 63rd isn’t good. That’s G5 territory

Note a correction.

Nah, it isn’t good, but if equally apply “potential” and “bad losses” and metrics KU is a better team than the teams that beat supposedly dominant SEC teams.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Note a correction.

Nah, it isn’t good, but if equally apply “potential” and “bad losses” and metrics KU is a better team than the teams that beat supposedly dominant SEC teams.

No argument here, ND shouldn’t even be eligible losing to a G5

 

[ClubCy]

They've been sneaking up Clemson (vs the AP poll position) so even if SMU loses the ACC champ at 3 losses will get a top seed over 2 loss Big 12 champ. Look at where ISU/ASU/Clemson/BYU are in AP vs CFP, it's obvious.

Since the CFP started in week 11.

Clemson CFP vs AP by week:
11: 23 vs 19
12: 20 vs 17
13: 17 vs 17
14: 12 vs 12
15: 17 vs 18

Iowa State:
11: 17 vs 17
12: NR vs NR RV
13: 22 vs 22
14: 18 vs 17
15: 16 vs 16

BYU is largely the same pattern and ASU didn’t get ranked until week 13 which makes it harder to climb.

You should be more angry at the three 3 loss teams from the SEC who have just been hovering between 11-15 blocking the Big 12.

 

[HFCS]

16 team playoff. Bring back the BCS computer formula.

Boom, I just fixed college football. My price is 1% of the revenue the playoff generates.

If I look at coaches poll and computer average...

Coaches poll has this bubble:
15 Ole Miss
16 ISU
17 Clemson
18 BYU

Computer composite would help ISU and Ole Miss a little (14 and 11 respectively) so they are probably in for sure. Clemson would be out from computer 1/3. BYU is 15th computer avg, they'd probably be last team out as of today. ASU computer 17th but #13 polling 2/3 would have them in.

You'd get 2/3 BIg 12 and 2 ACC that way, Boise would still get in for G5.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Probably why Iowa has never sniffed the playoffs or will anytime soon with that offense

They were literally a play away in 2015 before Sparty won the B1G CCG (Thankfully!).
Was that before they turtled up offensively?
Asking for a friend.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

They were literally a play away in 2015 before Sparty won the B1G CCG (Thankfully!).
Was that before they turtled up offensively?
Asking for a friend.

Nah, they still only scored 13 points. Still just an abysmal offense.

 

[12191987]

No argument here, ND shouldn’t even be eligible losing to a G5

It is almost certain I am biased against ND as much if not more than anyone here, but…

They are 11-1. They have wins over 8 P4 schools. They have wins over 7 bowl eligible teams. They have wins of 3 teams currently in or receiving votes in the AP poll. They dominated an 11-1 top 25 team.

The totality of their record seems to indicate that one, truly awful loss was an abberation.

I may get banned for this, but I think the NIU loss is about the same as Okie State’s loss to ISU that cost them a BCS title game berth.

There isn’t a team that I’d move ahead of them, especially after Georgia’s recent escape.

…and I just threw up in my mouth typing that.

 

[VeloClone]

I really don't know what to do.

They screwed us in 2014 because playing 12 games was HORRIBLE so we added a CCG immediately. Now they don't give a flying $*** if teams only play 12 games (or even a 6 game season in 2020).

We've known it's rigged for a full 10 seasons. There's probably nothing that can be done but muck raking in the media is probably the only tool.

Let's not forget that the Big 12 teams were penalized for not having a "13th data point" while at the same time the NCAA was disallowing a league with 10 teams to even have a CCG...

 

[CapnCy]

You can say the margin of victory doesn’t matter as much as the quality of opponent.

I’m not in awe of Indiana beating Purdue 66-0. I’d have liked to have seen them beat a single ranked team by 1 point though.

Exactly. You summarized what I was trying to get at.

 

[cykadelic2]

But that's really the point, Preseason expectations are being carried forward through the year.

How so for this season?

Current composite computer rankings don't support that and they ignore pre-season expectations, brands and conference affiliation. And with the glaring exception of Boise (unranked in preseason), the composite computer rankings align with current CFP rankings, they both have the same at-large teams.

Current composite BCS computer rankings (no human polls):

1 Oregon
2 Texas
3 Notre Dame
4 Ohio St
5 Penn St
6 Georgia
7 SMU
8 Indiana
9 Alabama
10 Tennessee
CUT LINE
11 South Carolina
12 Iowa St
13 Miami (FL)
14 BYU
15 Mississippi
16 Arizona St
17 Boise St
18 Clemson

 

[tolfbfan]

Whom ever wins the Big 12 Champ game needs to win a game or two or the first game be a close loss. A lopsided loss will only perpetuate the bias.