Perryman Group Economic Report on Big 12

[Al_4_State]

Ames will be fine as long as ISU fans show out for wherever we land.

This is one thing we CAN control. I don’t go to ISU games because of opponents prestige

 

[s_ford]

Maybe the report is a biased but it goes to show we better hope like hell fox wants the big 10 to take us.

Please stop trying to make fetch happen.

 

[CtownCyclone]

This looks like somebody (Baylor) wanting to maximize any damages they can get from Texas and OU. Which will result in Texas and OU teams putting out contrary reports saying we're actually in a lot better position than this report says.

Get your opponent to talk you up, so to speak.

 

[Cyrealist]

ISU and every other university in the B12 is so much bigger than Texa$ and OU$.
I personally think this report is trash and way overstates the numbers to the point that they might as well turn out the lights in Friley/Helser.

Depending on how things shake out, this will either be a blip on the radar of ISU Athletics and we'll continue on the rocket ship that JP has us on with a new better league, or we'll settle in to a tv deal that get's us $25-$30million/team, which is a 15% hit to the AD. I think there's enough passionate fans that ISU will have to get creative for a few years to make up that revenue, but I think JP can make it happen.

I personally haven't donated to ISU's athletics specifically in the past, but this is BS, so that's about to change if it means keeping us relevant.

I basically agree, though the hit on TV revenue could be down to 20 Mil. I think the report is probably correct that the remaining schools are better off sticking together if there aren't offers on the table from othe P5 conferences. There are a lot of unknowns such as would we still get to sit at the big boys table in discussing playoff invites, bowl tie-ins, etc. Would we be able to maintain fan support if we became an AAC or MWC school?

 

[BryceC]

I don’t go to ISU games because of opponents prestige

You'd be in the minority then. There is a reason why our most highly attended games are against the best teams on the schedule, or against teams that we have some sort of emotional tie to.

 

[Cyclad]

ISU and every other university in the B12 is so much bigger than Texa$ and OU$.
I personally think this report is trash and way overstates the numbers to the point that they might as well turn out the lights in Friley/Helser.

Depending on how things shake out, this will either be a blip on the radar of ISU Athletics and we'll continue on the rocket ship that JP has us on with a new better league, or we'll settle in to a tv deal that get's us $25-$30million/team, which is a 15% hit to the AD. I think there's enough passionate fans that ISU will have to get creative for a few years to make up that revenue, but I think JP can make it happen.

I personally haven't donated to ISU's athletics specifically in the past, but this is BS, so that's about to change if it means keeping us relevant.

I like your optimism. But, I think a non power 4/5 TV deal may only get you 10-15M, and that is 2X the AAC deal.

 

[KnappShack]

You'd be in the minority then. There is a reason why our most highly attended games are against the best teams on the schedule, or against teams that we have some sort of emotional tie to.

The thought of ISU vs Tulane just.....

Oh ****....**** **** **** **** ****

 

[CyLyte2]

You'd be in the minority then. There is a reason why our most highly attended games are against the best teams on the schedule, or against teams that we have some sort of emotional tie to.

There's always going to be "best teams on the schedule". You think the majority of the fans only go for opponents?

 

[Clonehomer]

So based on the report, if ISU were to have to join the MWC we're going to be in a tough place. Can't argue with that. What's the odds we're going to end up in the MWC? Is it much above zero?

As far as scenario 1, yes if we add the average AAC team, it isn't going to move the needle financially. But just like the Big12 before, there's a large difference in bringing in the top couple teams vs the average team in both competitiveness and financial impact to the league.

 

[Al_4_State]

You'd be in the minority then. There is a reason why our most highly attended games are against the best teams on the schedule, or against teams that we have some sort of emotional tie to.

When is the last time the OU or Texas game was our high point for attendance? We sell out for FCS opponents, and we wouldn’t need their fans to do it.

 

[Al_4_State]

Obviously this is different for OK State and the Texas schools.

Our sell outs are driven by weather, emotional attachment to the opponent (which has little to do with prestige), and circumstances surrounding the game. In that order.

 

[BryceC]

Obviously this is different for OK State and the Texas schools.

Our sell outs are driven by weather, emotional attachment to the opponent (which has little to do with prestige), and circumstances surrounding the game. In that order.

In basketball that is absolutely the case.

In football it's not the case now. But if you replace OU with Tulsa year after year, it's going to have an impact.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Ames will be fine as long as ISU fans show out for wherever we land.

This is one thing we CAN control. I don’t go to ISU games because of opponents prestige

I have no doubt existing ISU fans will respond. But it feels like we really cap our potential for attracting casual fans in the area. That said, building a consistent winner, even if in a lesser conference, still holds some power, especially if we still get Iowa once a year.

 

[CyCrazy]

Ames will be fine as long as ISU fans show out for wherever we land.

This is one thing we CAN control. I don’t go to ISU games because of opponents prestige

Yes to a point, I can get behind, Cincy Memphis, Houston, and Byu as long as we have a shot to get to the playoff. Bball would be fun either way. But we all know the bigger names bring more appeal.

F it B10 or bust.

 

[RealisticCy]

When is the last time the OU or Texas game was our high point for attendance? We sell out for FCS opponents, and we wouldn’t need their fans to do it.

Oklahoma in 2018.

 

[Al_4_State]

Yes to a point, I can get behind, Cincy Memphis, Houston, and Byu as long as we have a shot to get to the playoff. Bball would be fun either way. But we all know the bigger names bring more appeal.

F it B10 or bust.

For TV for sure. For game attendance I don’t see a huge difference

 

[HouClone]

Yes to a point, I can get behind, Cincy Memphis, Houston, and Byu as long as we have a shot to get to the playoff. Bball would be fun either way. But we all know the bigger names bring more appeal.

F it B10 or bust.

I think this will be a fun conference with those additions. The money is going to suck but it will be nice to be with a conference of equals. Hope BYU doesn't fill the void of Texas's arrogance but think they got some humility themselves the past 10 years.

 

[alarson]

When is the last time the OU or Texas game was our high point for attendance? We sell out for FCS opponents, and we wouldn’t need their fans to do it.

Our football attendance generally is based on 3 things:

Weather
Opponent
How good we've been.

We sell out for FCS opponents because those are almost always during the most tailgate-able games in September.

Adjusting for weather differences and variations in how good we are (a factor that will be influenced negatively if we are not playing on the big stage anymore), i'd say opponent matters most after that.

Those october\november games will have horrific attendance if its some team out of the AAC.

 

[Crookedhatkid]

The thought of ISU vs Tulane just.....

Oh ****....**** **** **** **** ****

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but we are playing a home and home with Tulsmt in a few years. It is already on the schedule.

 

[IcSyU]

For TV for sure. For game attendance I don’t see a huge difference

The AD will. They certainly can't charge the same prices for tickets they currently do.