P12/B12 alliance?
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For the purposes of TV revenue discussion, the Pac-12 has a couple of glaring deficiencies: 1) it has a number of schools with smallish fanbases, and 2) relative to other P5 conferences, the population in its geographic footprint is not that interested in college football (and perhaps college sports in general). Inter-conference match-ups aren't going to solve those problems, and those reasons are why I don't think there is going to be a network willing to deliver a big payout to televise those inter-conference games. If there is not a big TV payout, there is no reason to make this alliance.
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Kansas is not. TCU and Baylor should be the two most worried. KSU probably after that. People seem to forget that ISU has the 3rd highest enrollment in the Big 12, with a fanbase that is multiplying at a high rate. I think Okie State may be more vulnerable then ISU. If I had to rank most vulnerable to least, it would be:
1. BU
2. TCU
3. KSU
4. OSU
5. ISU
6. KU
7. TT
8. WVU
9. OU
10. UT
This is not about the vulnerability of individual schools, it's about the viability of the B12 and how it might improve its relative strength(s).
True, but the vulnerability of each school determines how important salvaging the Big12 is t
That was 2001-2002. USC was starting to become big time. Not quite Leinert/Bush/Snoop Dogg levels, but closer to that than the current team. Besides, that's USC, not UCLA, Stanford, Cal, etc. Not to mention KSU was pretty damn good then too.
From my perspective, this matters due to K-State's future, that's only logical. From the league perspective, the reason Gee asked Wefald for his thoughts, it is about the conference's future, not individual members.
Reading the article, it sounds like Bowlsby is open to a limited alliance that doesn't involve the entire inventory of 30 Big XII out of conference games. That may not be a bad thing. Probably helps the Pac more than it helps us.
Biggest problem remains the lack of unformity across the P5 about number of conference games played by each league. Tired of watching the mighty $EC play its 4 non cons with that cupcake game late in the year. Need to get on an even playing field across these leagues.
Biggest problem remains the lack of unformity across the P5 about number of conference games played by each league. Tired of watching the mighty $EC play its 4 non cons with that cupcake game late in the year. Need to get on an even playing field across these leagues.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Big 12 right now other then the OU AD flapping his jaw once a year. OU is not going anywhere; they would be stupid to do so when they currently have a very easy path to the CFB Playoffs every year. The conference is stable, members are happy, and money is flowing in.
You mean the exact same article posted two days ago you dolt?
Do we really want a conference that spreads from West Virginia to Arizona? Talk about an entity that would be begging to be poached / broken up.
Says an obscure internet poster securely nestled somewhere in a DSM, Iowa basement to the WVU president and B12 CEO who personally asked for the recommendations.
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I posted this on the other thread on this same topic, in response to my belief that if this happens it would be merger of the 2 conferences instead. With 2 divisions of 8-10 teams, most likely 8 or 9 each. With my ideas of who might be left out or go somewhere else and why.
Well I'm not going to say I know exactly how it works out, but I did say 8 or so, could be 9 or even 10 from one or the other or each.
The number of schools in each division only really dictates the number of games available after round robin for cross division and non-con games.
Basically I could easily see if a merger happening here are a few teams from each conference that might look or be invited elsewhere:
Big 12
Iowa State - I could see an invite to the B1G, while not probable, this could be a possibility if they see the conferences starting to firm up and need to grab a team that fits their By-laws before its too late. Iowa State has OK athletics and is a great academic school with AAU membership which is a B1G requirement. Some people think the ACC will look at Iowa State too if something happens this is a long shot, and I think Iowa State will stay in the Big 12, but could go as a package with one of the below.
Kansas - could end up to the B1G, decent at least in BBall, Are AAU members.
WVU - would probably end up in the ACC, maybe the SEC if this happens.
Baylor - I could easily see them being left out because of all their problems.
TCU - Maybe be left out just because of being the last to the party, and being the small private school.
Pac 12
This is a bit tougher to see which ones could be left out beyond a couple:
Colorado - Again an AAU school with decent athletics and a new market for the B1G, could be a package deal with another school like ISU or KS, other schools in the Pac 12 are probably too far from the B1G footprint requirement.
Utah - last to the party, may be left out.
WSU, AZ, ASU, OSU - these would be the hardest ones but 1 or 2 of these could be left out depending on how everything else plays out, simply because what they bring to the table. These all are fairly low on the money list for endowment and overall performance.
Again, I have no Idea how it might work out in the end but some form of merger may happen, or not, or the Big 12 could add a couple from the Pac, or not. Who knows, At this point the Big 12 is way more stable things may just stay the same for the next round, but speculating is what we do right.
My honest opinion, if something like this happens:
Leaving or left out of the Big 12:
WVU and/or Baylor and/or TCU = 7-8 left (all 3 if dropping to 16 teams)
Leaving or left out of the Pac 12:
Utah and/or Colorado, = 10 or 11 left. (both plus one of the others if dropping to 16 teams)
With a total of 18 (or 16) teams, 2 divisions of 9 teams (or 2 of 8).
8 game round robin(or 7), 1 or 2 Xdivisional games.
2-3 non-con Games.
Well I'm not going to say I know exactly how it works out, but I did say 8 or so, could be 9 or even 10 from one or the other or each.
The number of schools in each division only really dictates the number of games available after round robin for cross division and non-con games.
Basically I could easily see if a merger happening here are a few teams from each conference that might look or be invited elsewhere:
Big 12
Iowa State - I could see an invite to the B1G, while not probable, this could be a possibility if they see the conferences starting to firm up and need to grab a team that fits their By-laws before its too late. Iowa State has OK athletics and is a great academic school with AAU membership which is a B1G requirement. Some people think the ACC will look at Iowa State too if something happens this is a long shot, and I think Iowa State will stay in the Big 12, but could go as a package with one of the below.
Kansas - could end up to the B1G, decent at least in BBall, Are AAU members.
WVU - would probably end up in the ACC, maybe the SEC if this happens.
Baylor - I could easily see them being left out because of all their problems.
TCU - Maybe be left out just because of being the last to the party, and being the small private school.
Pac 12
This is a bit tougher to see which ones could be left out beyond a couple:
Colorado - Again an AAU school with decent athletics and a new market for the B1G, could be a package deal with another school like ISU or KS, other schools in the Pac 12 are probably too far from the B1G footprint requirement.
Utah - last to the party, may be left out.
WSU, AZ, ASU, OSU - these would be the hardest ones but 1 or 2 of these could be left out depending on how everything else plays out, simply because what they bring to the table. These all are fairly low on the money list for endowment and overall performance.
Again, I have no Idea how it might work out in the end but some form of merger may happen, or not, or the Big 12 could add a couple from the Pac, or not. Who knows, At this point the Big 12 is way more stable things may just stay the same for the next round, but speculating is what we do right.
My honest opinion, if something like this happens:
Leaving or left out of the Big 12:
WVU and/or Baylor and/or TCU = 7-8 left (all 3 if dropping to 16 teams)
Leaving or left out of the Pac 12:
Utah and/or Colorado, = 10 or 11 left. (both plus one of the others if dropping to 16 teams)
With a total of 18 (or 16) teams, 2 divisions of 9 teams (or 2 of 8).
8 game round robin(or 7), 1 or 2 Xdivisional games.
2-3 non-con Games.
Exactly, tell me another conference that they are going to make the $95 mil they make in the Big 12. No one seems to be able to figure that out, they are making nearly double what any other team is making in any other conference. I dont think they want to lose that.
