NFL: ***Official 2024 San Francisco 49ers Thread***

Should the 49ers have a season thread AND game thread for each week or keep everything in one place?

  • Season thread AND weekly game thread

    Votes: 13 20.3%
  • Everything in one thread for 2024

    Votes: 47 73.4%
  • Whatever the majority would like

    Votes: 4 6.3%

  • Total voters
    64
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clones2005

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My 49ers fandom started after he left. Is he the real deal SFs D?
The 9ers defense was excellent when he was D coordinator before. I've been hoping for him to come back ever since DeMeco Ryan's took the Texans job, but more realistically over the last several months after he was fired from the Jets.

I'm expecting the run defense to be much improved.

Let's go D!
 
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AllInForISU

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To that point show me any qb that does it on his own. Maybe Brady and Mahomes after they got the championship teams rolling and they did it with sub skill level, but they each always had at least an all pro security blanket and solid D.

Get paid Brock.

Sub level skill?

He’s had a HOF safety blanket in Kelce his whole career and the best play caller, maybe ever, as his coach. I’ll be interested what happens when he doesn’t have a guy he can count on getting at least 90 catches and 50 1st downs a year. I’m even more interested to see what happens when he doesn’t have Reid as his coach.

QBs are only as good as their supporting cast. Hopefully the 49ers can keep a good cast for Brock.
 
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Sub level skill?

He’s had a HOF safety blanket in Kelce his whole career and the best play caller, maybe ever, as his coach. I’ll be interested what happens when he doesn’t have a guy he can count on getting at least 90 catches and 50 1st downs a year. I’m even more interested to see what happens when he doesn’t have Reid as his coach.

QBs are only as good as their supporting cast. Hopefully the 49ers can keep a good cast for Brock.
I’m talking rb and wr.

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Coach health (both O & D)
Reliable go to in TK
Rest has been shuffling with great GM
 

Dgilbertson

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Sub level skill?

He’s had a HOF safety blanket in Kelce his whole career and the best play caller, maybe ever, as his coach. I’ll be interested what happens when he doesn’t have a guy he can count on getting at least 90 catches and 50 1st downs a year. I’m even more interested to see what happens when he doesn’t have Reid as his coach.

QBs are only as good as their supporting cast. Hopefully the 49ers can keep a good cast for Brock.
Read my post again.
 

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Brock is an interesting case study. Is it the Mr irrelevant title, is it his kind demeanor? Is it purely timing and coincidental?

He’s the first guy generating a pause in throwing market matching money at a young successful qb. Are ppl finally seeing it’s not the best move?

Or is it something more related to perception or national feelings about Purdy. Cuz he’s done way more than lesser talent who’ve been paid market matching or resetting the market money.
 

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Brock is an interesting case study. Is it the Mr irrelevant title, is it his kind demeanor? Is it purely timing and coincidental?

He’s the first guy generating a pause in throwing market matching money at a young successful qb. Are ppl finally seeing it’s not the best move?

Or is it something more related to perception or national feelings about Purdy. Cuz he’s done way more than lesser talent who’ve been paid market matching or resetting the market money.
I think its more on the line of Purdy wants to stay in SF, and the 49ers want him, but are also unsure if he is a Mahomes, Barrows type of QB or a step below them. Seems like a fair deal to me on both sides, its more than I would have wanted to pay him, but if they can make it work, more power to them.
 

AllInForISU

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Gronk was a great security blanket. Edelman, Moss. Brady generally had good talent.

I never said he didn’t have a good player on his team. But he didn’t have anyone who would be considered decent until 2007, unless you count Corey Dillon, but he didn’t really catch many passes.

Let’s not get revisionist history. Moss was great for 1 year for him and good for another, Gronk was great for 1, really good for 2 more. He probably would have been great for more if he didn’t get hurt every year. Edelman? Never even made a pro bowl let alone All Pro.

My point still stands, Brady had no good offensive threats the first 3 super bowls they won.
 

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I never said he didn’t have a good player on his team. But he didn’t have anyone who would be considered decent until 2007, unless you count Corey Dillon, but he didn’t really catch many passes.

Let’s not get revisionist history. Moss was great for 1 year for him and good for another, Gronk was great for 1, really good for 2 more. He probably would have been great for more if he didn’t get hurt every year. Edelman? Never even made a pro bowl let alone All Pro.

My point still stands, Brady had no good offensive threats the first 3 super bowls they won.

Adam Vinatieri. Possibly the greatest kicker ever. Without him, Brady misses out on Super Bowl wins. And don’t forget the Patriots defense. Winning Super Bowl Games for Brady. Brady watched as the Pats intercepted Seahawks Wilson at the goal line.

Brady had great teams and teammates surrounding him.
 
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AllInForISU

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Adam Vinatieri. Possibly the greatest kicker ever. Without him, Brady misses out on Super Bowl wins. And don’t forget the Patriots defense. Winning Super Bowl Games for Brady. Brady watched as the Pats intercepted Seahawks Wilson at the goal line.

Brady had great teams and teammates surrounding him.

Duh. Every super bowl team has good players. I’m specifically talking about offense and how supporting casts can dictate how a QB is perceived.

Brock was not very good when his supporting cast was depleted. We have not really seen Mahomes have to play without at least one hall of fame pass catcher. Tom, specifically early in his career, was good and helped deliver 3 super bowls without top tier talent around him on the offensive side. I don’t know how that’s really debatable.
 

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Duh. Every super bowl team has good players. I’m specifically talking about offense and how supporting casts can dictate how a QB is perceived.

Brock was not very good when his supporting cast was depleted. We have not really seen Mahomes have to play without at least one hall of fame pass catcher. Tom, specifically early in his career, was good and helped deliver 3 super bowls without top tier talent around him on the offensive side. I don’t know how that’s really debatable.
I really think you overestimating the talent level that Mahomes has had around him the past couple of years. Kelsey while still great is not the TE he was 3 to 5 years ago. The offensive tackle position has been a struggle the past couple of seasons, the WRs outside of Hill the first SB win is nothing to brag about and neither are the running backs.
SF has a better Oline, better WR's, Kittle is almost as good as Kelsey and the Niners have better backs. Now a lot of the talent on the 49ers were hurt this season, but I would say even with the injuries they are better at WR, RB and along the line.
Purdy had a great SB, but really struggled this past season, was it because of injuries to the player around him or is he the type of player that needs good players around him to shine. Reverse them and Mahomes would still have the 49ers in the playoff and I really doubt if Purdy has the Chiefs in the SB.
 

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Duh. Every super bowl team has good players. I’m specifically talking about offense and how supporting casts can dictate how a QB is perceived.

Brock was not very good when his supporting cast was depleted. We have not really seen Mahomes have to play without at least one hall of fame pass catcher. Tom, specifically early in his career, was good and helped deliver 3 super bowls without top tier talent around him on the offensive side. I don’t know how that’s really debatable.

If Brock Purdy had Adam Vinitieri instead of Jake Moody he would have a Super Bowl ring right now. And Moody cost games this year. Without Vinatieri, Brady is missing at least a couple rings. That’s just a fact.
 

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I really think you overestimating the talent level that Mahomes has had around him the past couple of years. Kelsey while still great is not the TE he was 3 to 5 years ago. The offensive tackle position has been a struggle the past couple of seasons, the WRs outside of Hill the first SB win is nothing to brag about and neither are the running backs.
SF has a better Oline, better WR's, Kittle is almost as good as Kelsey and the Niners have better backs. Now a lot of the talent on the 49ers were hurt this season, but I would say even with the injuries they are better at WR, RB and along the line.
Purdy had a great SB, but really struggled this past season, was it because of injuries to the player around him or is he the type of player that needs good players around him to shine. Reverse them and Mahomes would still have the 49ers in the playoff and I really doubt if Purdy has the Chiefs in the SB.
Kansas City's defense is what has carried them the past couple of seasons. Chris Jones is a wrecker in the middle and they have great corners. Mahomes is great at doing just enough to get the job done and is elite in clutch situations. The Chiefs defense is elite while the 49ers were really poor last season at special teams.

Also, besides Trent Williams, the offensive line is below average. Banks is okay but center and right tackle are poor. San Francisco's defense wasn't very good last season.
 

AllInForISU

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I really think you overestimating the talent level that Mahomes has had around him the past couple of years. Kelsey while still great is not the TE he was 3 to 5 years ago. The offensive tackle position has been a struggle the past couple of seasons, the WRs outside of Hill the first SB win is nothing to brag about and neither are the running backs.
SF has a better Oline, better WR's, Kittle is almost as good as Kelsey and the Niners have better backs. Now a lot of the talent on the 49ers were hurt this season, but I would say even with the injuries they are better at WR, RB and along the line.
Purdy had a great SB, but really struggled this past season, was it because of injuries to the player around him or is he the type of player that needs good players around him to shine. Reverse them and Mahomes would still have the 49ers in the playoff and I really doubt if Purdy has the Chiefs in the SB.

I never implied or said Brock was better than Mahomes, but the bolded sentence is wrong IMO. They lost All Pro players at all of those spots and at one point, the 49ers had an undrafted FA RB and their best receiver was a rookie (I think) coming off a gunshot wound.