*** Official #2 IOWA STATE vs West Virginia Game(Day) Thread ***

cayin

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No it's when you're saying he should change how he plays, when his style of play is also what makes him good and hard to cover.
I was wanting him to play smarter. Dribbling into a triangle trap is not smart, leads to turnover. Passing an easier shot to put a a hard shot. He can still play his same style, make amazing plays, but do it with a better BB IQ.
 

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10 minutes? I've made it very clear I wanted Nojus and Watson playing in the 20s in the buy games.

Nojus was a 4 star top 50 player. I say get his *** in there and let him score.
He was not a top 50 player. He was more likely to turn it over or take a dumb shot yesterday than score.
 

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Not sure of all-time record, and this isn't P5, but in 2022-23 season, Columbia and Wichita State each shot 1-for-21 in a game.
sports-reference.com has it for individual teams so I can at least see how often ISU performs this feat.

We've done this three other times in TJ's tenure:

1/20 against Alabama State in 2022, a 68-60 win
1/14 against Baylor in 2022, a 72-77 loss
1/14 against Kansas State in 2024, a 76-57 win

No Prohm team ever made fewer than two three's in a game, even in the Year We Do Not Discuss.
A Fred team did it twice, won one and lost one, that's where the logs stop.

We are now .500 in games in the Post-McDermott era when we make only one three, that's pretty good!
 

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At certain points in the game. Depending on situations, time and team fouls, you'll see us really amp up on defense and get a steal or cause a turnover. I didn't see as much of that yesterday. If Lipsey ends the game with 4 fouls, you know he gave you everything he had on defense. Same with Gilbert. Heise had 0 fouls which tells me he wasn't being aggressive enough when he was out there.
Guarding without fouling is a skill and a principle of modern defensive coaching
 

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I was just surprised at how bad we played on offense yesterday after they've looked so good all season.
This was the most concerning part of yesterday's game to me. I thought our floor on offense was a lot higher than it is, at least with Milan out.
 
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This was the most concerning part of yesterday's game to me. I thought our floor on offense was a lot higher than it is, at least with Milan out.
I guess West Virginia is ranked 10th in adjusted defense on Torvick so that was a huge part of the problem.

I've se3n Devries coach many games in person the last 5 years and I guess I'm not used to his teams playing physical defense. They seemed pretty soft to me at Drake.
 
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This was the most concerning part of yesterday's game to me. I thought our floor on offense was a lot higher than it is, at least with Milan out.
I think it was the perfect storm of poor outside shooting and the refs letting so much physical contact go down low. We have been able to use Jefferson and Jackson get us out of offensive droughts much more effectively in every game before this.
 
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The team will be better from this.

During the season….you want your team to face adversity, you want teams to challenge and expose weaknesses so you can improve on them, you want to have something to build towards.

It’s a marathon, it’s all about fortifying the armor and building towards March. So the team can “be the best version of themselves”when it matters and it’s win or go home.
 

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All it takes is 1 game to understand why some of us were concerned back in December about Watson and Nojus not getting any PT for a month.

10 minutes? I've made it very clear I wanted Nojus and Watson playing in the 20s in the buy games.

Nojus was a 4 star top 50 player. I say get his *** in there and let him score.
The 15-1, #2 ranked team in the country lays an egg, on the road, vs a decent (very good defensive) team, after a big win over their biggest rival.

You believe that if the 9th and 10th bench guys would've played 20 minutes a game in the noncon, the outcome of this game would have been different?

I don't.
 

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Not to put words in @NoCreativity mouth but I think his point/contention is, if players like Nojus and Watson played a bit (a lot?) more in some of the buy-game blowouts, maybe this playing time is a source of development in and of itself and they would have developed to the point of being able to be trusted with larger roles in the current Big 12 games.

It comes down to a question of when/how player development happens, mechanistically.

More time for those players would also of course come at the cost of time for our established rotation players, less time for those lineups to "gel", and would likely hurt our metrics which are a factor in seed lines.

Fine to disagree with his thesis of course, but it's an interesting discussion point regardless, not sure why there's so many "you shouldn't be posting this"-type reactions.
 

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Not to put words in @NoCreativity mouth but I think his point/contention is, if players like Nojus and Watson played a bit (a lot?) more in some of the buy-game blowouts, maybe this playing time is a source of development in and of itself and they would have developed to the point of being able to be trusted with larger roles in the current Big 12 games.

It comes down to a question of when/how player development happens, mechanistically.

More time for those players would also of course come at the cost of time for our established rotation players, less time for those lineups to "gel", and would likely hurt our metrics which are a factor in seed lines.

Fine to disagree with his thesis of course, but it's an interesting discussion point regardless, not sure why there's so many "you shouldn't be posting this"-type reactions.
If TJ had decided to do as nocreativity believes would've been beneficial, I'd be all for it. TJ didn't, so I fully support his decision to figure out his top 8, then use gametime minutes to develop cohesion. I'm sure he is continuing to develop the rest of yhe roster during practice.

This is a discussion board and all are free to express their opinion. When you do, others may agree or disagree. Your opinion might be supported or ridiculed. In this case, most, including me, do not agree with nocreativity.
 
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If TJ had decided to do as nocreativity believes would've been beneficial, I'd be all for it. TJ didn't, so I fully support his decision to figure out his top 8, then use gametime minutes to develop cohesion. I'm sure he is continuing to develop the rest of yhe roster during practice.

This is a discussion board and all are free to express their opinion. When you do, others may agree or disagree. Your opinion might be supported or ridiculed. In this case, most, including me, do not agree with nocreativity. Live with it.
What do you think is added with remarks like this?
 

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Not to put words in @NoCreativity mouth but I think his point/contention is, if players like Nojus and Watson played a bit (a lot?) more in some of the buy-game blowouts, maybe this playing time is a source of development in and of itself and they would have developed to the point of being able to be trusted with larger roles in the current Big 12 games.

It comes down to a question of when/how player development happens, mechanistically.

More time for those players would also of course come at the cost of time for our established rotation players, less time for those lineups to "gel", and would likely hurt our metrics which are a factor in seed lines.

Fine to disagree with his thesis of course, but it's an interesting discussion point regardless, not sure why there's so many "you shouldn't be posting this"-type reactions.

Nobody is saying it shouldn't be posted. Go ahead and post it. Posting in hyperbole like 'TJ ran guys into the ground up 35' when there's no evidence of that deserves questioning.

I'm failing to see how 5 minutes more per game helps Nojus develop to come in two months later and be effective.

And this is Watson 3rd year in the program. He's not developed? Was he not very effective vs. KU when called upon? What am I missing?