*** Official #11 IOWA STATE vs West Virginia Game(Day) Thread ***

Cyched

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Mentioned this before the game, but this is a big win at this point. I picked this as a loss at the start of the year because WVU is such a tough place to win regardless of how good you are. But we played with so much poise even after they went up 7-0 and had some juice to start, it didn't feel like it was a hostile game.

Now you get a reeling UCF team at home, then a bye week to get healthy before the final stretch. Huge to get this W in the fashion they did and keep moving forward.
 

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When I fired up Hulu this morning the replay was showing, it was right before we finished off the 91 yard drive. At that point, Rocco was 9/11 for 147yds. He was in total control. Also just in time to catch this move from Hansen that I noticed last night but forgot.
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I've never understood the love for Green. Everytime I watch WVU he isn't that impressive. And the fact that they win a lot more when he isn't throwing the ball very much seems like a stat that a good QB wouldn't have.
He’s not a good passer at all. His two interceptions were horribly timed. First one was thrown behind the receiver and second one was too high.
 
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I've never understood the love for Green. Everytime I watch WVU he isn't that impressive. And the fact that they win a lot more when he isn't throwing the ball very much seems like a stat that a good QB wouldn't have.
WVU is one of those teams who had a good run starting 20+ years ago (averaged 9.5 wins/year from 2002-2011) and is still getting hype and praise based on that.

The pre-season hype was that Greene is an NFL QB, definitely didn't look like it last night.
 

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Just want to add....

What a freaking time to be alive.

6-0. Top 15 team. A bunch of players who could have left and didn't. A coach who could have left and didn't. A real, legit shot to be in the playoffs.

Let's not forget that for all of our entire lives, hunting for that 6th win in November was considered a GOOD season. We were thrilled to head into November with 4 or 5 wins and trying to get a few more.

We all need to stop and enjoy this a bit. The team will focus on the next game and the big picture. But we are fans and this is pretty freaking cool.
 

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Mentioned this before the game, but this is a big win at this point. I picked this as a loss at the start of the year because WVU is such a tough place to win regardless of how good you are. But we played with so much poise even after they went up 7-0 and had some juice to start, it didn't feel like it was a hostile game.

Now you get a reeling UCF team at home, then a bye week to get healthy before the final stretch. Huge to get this W in the fashion they did and keep moving forward.

Preseason I picked 7-8 wins, after the Iowa game 8-9 and am trying to stick with that but losing room for that many losses.

Life is hard sometimes.
 
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I've never understood the love for Green. Everytime I watch WVU he isn't that impressive. And the fact that they win a lot more when he isn't throwing the ball very much seems like a stat that a good QB wouldn't have.
It's because the only things he does "well" are very flashy and dynamic. Runs and deep balls. It's obvious he's not accurate or consistent from the pocket, and he makes poor decisions.

He was also showing up the refs all game, really letting them have it on camera directly to their face

He's a less powerful Joel Lanning with poor character.
 

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One other comment on the defense. It's easy to say it now, but I was sort of encouraged that even though West Virginia scored on that first drive that it took them a long time to do it. We were close to getting off the field a couple of times there and that seemed a bit different than early in the Baylor game.
 

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I love how we have been breaking teams late. I hate to make the comparison, but this has led to a lot of success for the TOE
You're right - I hate that comparison! Having said that, you're correct - stifling defense and the methodical imposition of will on the opposition leads to satisfying victories. I just hope we, as a fanbase, never act like "them".
 
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That is why I was a little disappointed ISU didn’t punch it in at the end. Got to impress people that really don’t want to give ISU credit for being at the top.
Agree, should have taken some style points at the end.
 

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I agree. For the most part since he's been with the Niners, Brock has been much better in this area. I think it just boils down to wanting to make a play.
Maybe, but I would say it has more to do with not being led by a garbage OC. KS has given Purdy the stable and efficient structure that he's always wanted/needed.

I don't think you can meaningfully compare Purdy and Becht individually when they're being led by such different coaching staffs. It is a team game after all.
 

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Watched the game again this morning. Rocco was dialed in for sure. The 2 passes to Eli Green were straight butter.

Then the two 4th down conversions, especially the last then Rocco wearing a huge smile talking it up with the WVU defender - GLORIOUS
 

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He’s not a good passer at all. His two interceptions were horribly timed. First one was thrown behind the receiver and second one was too high.
I was really perplexed when CW was playing him up as some kind of big time QB with pro potential on Two Guys. He's not accurate and turns it over a lot. Great runner but nothing else is exceptional with his game.
 

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I was thinking this morning that there's some conceptual similarities between ISU's defenses in FB and MBB.

Both are unique/unusual and hard to prepare for, hard to execute against after your script runs out and adjustments have been made.

The "dime stack" to my understanding is based on limiting the big explosive play. Barring some unique talent at the skill positions you aren't going to throw it over the top or break through the line and run away from a five-man secondary very often. The cost is the first two levels of the defense have to play very reactively (compared to a typical 4-3 where gap assignments are usually predetermined) and you're susceptible to short plays. So as an offense, take as many three-yard runs and five-yard outs as you want, if you can consistently execute there then you'll drive on our defense, but most college teams even with very good offenses will eventually make mistakes on those plays, or get frustrated and try to go downfield against a five-man secondary.

Basically it makes everyone predictable: drive on us with short plays without mistakes, if you can do that all game then congrats, you win, but we bet you can't.

Similarly, you don't see the dime stack in the NFL much, offenses are too good / don't make those mistakes.

I don't know if TJ's defense has a name, but it's dime-stackish in that it makes everyone's offense predictable: we don't care what you want to do, we are taking away the paint and we are hounding you endlessly with double-teams on the perimeter. The only thing left is to swing it and shoot the three-ball. If you can hit enough of those to win then congratulations, you've beat us, but it's the longest and most difficult shot in the game, good luck.

Don't see it much in the NBA because ~everyone there can shoot.