NCAA's - The Case for 9 Big 12 teams
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How many 8-10 Conf record teams without 20 wins will get selected? Will Oklahoma - the 9th place team really get in? I fear the Teams below 5th place TCU will get seeded so low a lot of them could loose the first day. If that happens, i can already hear the ACC - Big 10- SEC homers on ESPN talking about how over rated the big 12 was.
I'm really not sure Texas belongs. I have not figure out why OU is in before OSU either. Seems some are favoring the school in Texas and player in OU.
After tonight not sure if Baylor belongs either.
After tonight not sure if Baylor belongs either.
KU, TT, WVU, TCU, KSU and OU are in even though IMO OSU should replace OU. No other team makes it nor deserves to in my opinion. Texas might make it depending on other bubble teams but Baylor is 100% out.
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If that happens can you disagree? We didn't do well against the SEC and while we are the most balanced league hands down we are not the best. At all. No team will make the Final Four or Elite 8 if you ask me.
Several comments in this thread (and floating around the world wide web) that OU will make the field because of Trae Young's "profile."
Oklahoma is a near-lock to make the tournament, perhaps slipping to First Four, barring a barrage of bid-stealing or bubble-climbers. But OU's inclusion won't hinge on Young's pedigree, unless the committee decides the discard integrity completely.
Oklahoma is a near-lock to make the tournament, perhaps slipping to First Four, barring a barrage of bid-stealing or bubble-climbers. But OU's inclusion won't hinge on Young's pedigree, unless the committee decides the discard integrity completely.
Texas and Baylor have weaker profiles than the Oklahoma schools. I could easily see the Big 12 only getting 7. I think Osu is out at this point, their RPI is terrible and they just don't have the non-conf the other 3 have.
Ultimately I think the Big 12 gets 8 but wouldn't be shocked if it's 7.
Think it's going to be 7 teams from Big 12:
Don't think Baylor and Oklahoma State will get in? Cowboys' RPI is in the 80s. Bears' RPI is now in mid 60 range with 14 losses. Those numbers are not working in their favor. Technically, Baylor only has 17 RPI wins, since their win over Randall isn't figured into their RPI ranking.
Don't think Baylor and Oklahoma State will get in? Cowboys' RPI is in the 80s. Bears' RPI is now in mid 60 range with 14 losses. Those numbers are not working in their favor. Technically, Baylor only has 17 RPI wins, since their win over Randall isn't figured into their RPI ranking.
So, I'm going to be royally ticked off if Oklahoma State does not get in. It would show that its more important to beat better teams in the 150-350 range than it is to beat better teams ranked in the Top 100.
What is more impressive.
Team A: Wins over teams ranked 50, 50, 58, 58, 64, 90, 155, 156, 178, 179, 214, 214, 203, 281,297, 341
Team B: Wins over teams ranked 6, 6, 24, 31, 44, 44, 45, 50, 170, 213, 223, 254, 314, 327, 344
Team C: Wins over 51, 52, 52, 76, 173, 173, 184, 192, 194, 221, 221, 222, 235, 275, 296, 289, 327, 329
Team D: Wins over 8, 9, 16, 22, 22, 36, 44, 68, 71, 74, 89, 89, 175, 194, 350
Team E: Wins over 6, 12, 20, 20, 24, 35, 55, 60, 67, 83, 167, 184, 235, 281, 283, 342
Team F: Wins over 17, 18, 35, 35, 49, 67, 66, 81, 81, 94, 155, 174, 213, 216, 216, 226, 317, 331
Team G: Wins over 28, 42, 49, 49, 67, 67, 78, 78, 81, 161, 174, 209, 216, 216, 224, 265
Team H: Wins over 3, 3, 34, 34, 43, 53, 66, 70, 82, 85, 85, 90, 162, 162, 177, 207, 194, 322, 344
Team I: Wins over 20, 24, 31, 43, 44, 44, 54, 83, 192, 194, 310,332, 342
Team A: Loss to 63
Team B: Loss to 60
Team C: Loss to 82, 99, 99, 221
Team D: Loss to 71, 77, 79, 120, 136, 166
Team E: Loss to 60, 83, 83, 130
Team F: Loss to 62, 67, 78, 78, 81, 128
Team G: Loss to 62, 66, 81, 111, 222
Team H: Loss to 166, 177, 234
Team I: Loss to 60, 60, 83
Pick the 4 most deserving teams from this list. My order would be Team B, Team I, Team D and Team E
What is more impressive.
Team A: Wins over teams ranked 50, 50, 58, 58, 64, 90, 155, 156, 178, 179, 214, 214, 203, 281,297, 341
Team B: Wins over teams ranked 6, 6, 24, 31, 44, 44, 45, 50, 170, 213, 223, 254, 314, 327, 344
Team C: Wins over 51, 52, 52, 76, 173, 173, 184, 192, 194, 221, 221, 222, 235, 275, 296, 289, 327, 329
Team D: Wins over 8, 9, 16, 22, 22, 36, 44, 68, 71, 74, 89, 89, 175, 194, 350
Team E: Wins over 6, 12, 20, 20, 24, 35, 55, 60, 67, 83, 167, 184, 235, 281, 283, 342
Team F: Wins over 17, 18, 35, 35, 49, 67, 66, 81, 81, 94, 155, 174, 213, 216, 216, 226, 317, 331
Team G: Wins over 28, 42, 49, 49, 67, 67, 78, 78, 81, 161, 174, 209, 216, 216, 224, 265
Team H: Wins over 3, 3, 34, 34, 43, 53, 66, 70, 82, 85, 85, 90, 162, 162, 177, 207, 194, 322, 344
Team I: Wins over 20, 24, 31, 43, 44, 44, 54, 83, 192, 194, 310,332, 342
Team A: Loss to 63
Team B: Loss to 60
Team C: Loss to 82, 99, 99, 221
Team D: Loss to 71, 77, 79, 120, 136, 166
Team E: Loss to 60, 83, 83, 130
Team F: Loss to 62, 67, 78, 78, 81, 128
Team G: Loss to 62, 66, 81, 111, 222
Team H: Loss to 166, 177, 234
Team I: Loss to 60, 60, 83
Pick the 4 most deserving teams from this list. My order would be Team B, Team I, Team D and Team E
Unless you look at RPI specifically, I don't believe there is a single team in Lunardi's last 4 Byes or Last 4 in that should be in the tournament over any Big 12 bubble team.
Alabama, Providence, USC, UCLA, Middle Tennessee, Louisville
Hell, throw in St. Mary's, Florida State, NC State, Va Tech even.
Alabama, Providence, USC, UCLA, Middle Tennessee, Louisville
Hell, throw in St. Mary's, Florida State, NC State, Va Tech even.
This is exactly it. So many posters are hung up on whether these last Big 12 teams "deserve" to be in the dance. Probably not, but pretty much everyone on the bubble doesn't "deserve" to be in the dance, however the NCAA has decided that they will bracket 68 teams every year so somebody has to go in whether they "deserve" it or not.
How can you put OU in and leave OSU out. They beat OU twice, beat Kansas twice, have the same conference record, won more games as a whole and have won more than 2 games in Feb/March. There is no way OU should get in. Sure they had nice wins before Feb, but at some point you have to look at the losses.
If I compare their resumes in a vacuum, I'd assume either both are in or both are out. It's fairly close.
I'd be interested to compare full "team sheets" between USC and OU/OSU. That could get interesting. (Experts have OU and USC "in" and OSU "out"). Southern Cal's computer profile is pleasant, but bad losses are glaring.
Thats kind of a tough call. Oklahoma has more good wins that OSU, but also has worse losses.
If you look back at my post, UCLA is Team F, USC is Team G, OU is Team E and OSU is Team B.
If you look at the teams 8-10 best wins, I'd rank the teams OU, OSU, UCLA, USC.
If you look at the teams worst 5 losses, I'd rank the teams OSU (by miles), OU and UCLA basically tied and then USC.
If you look at the team's 6-9 worst wins, I'd go USC, UCLA, OU, OSU
If you look at RPI, it goes USC, UCLA, OU, OSU
Sagarin ranks them OU, USC, UCLA, OSU, but all 36-45.
Kenpom ranks them USC, UCLA, OU, OSU and all between 42-54
Basically, OU and OSU have the best wins and the best losses, but UCLA and USC played better bottom feeders to artificially boost their RPIs
If USC gets in over OSU, all we are saying is that having wins over Middle Tennessee, New Mexico State, Utah (twice), Santa Clara, Lehigh and Akron is more impressive than Kansas twice, Texas Tech, West Virginia, Miss Valley State, Houston Baptist and Charlotte.
If UCLA gets in over OU, all we are saying is that having wins over Kentucky, Arizona, USC (twice), Detroit Mercy, Central Arkansas and USC Bakersfield is more impressive than wins over Kansas, Wichita State, TCU (twice), Northwestern State, Portland and Omaha.
I don't really have a problem if OSU doesn't make it. There are some glaring gaps in our season. I'm hoping that we somehow do make it in and play as we are capable.
With all of the distractions...and there were many...I think most of our fans are pretty happy with how the season played out. We were in control of getting a tournament bid until the very end - beat KU one more time and I think we would have been a lock. Most fans were not happy with the Boynton hire, but you'll find very few with that view right now.
With all of the distractions...and there were many...I think most of our fans are pretty happy with how the season played out. We were in control of getting a tournament bid until the very end - beat KU one more time and I think we would have been a lock. Most fans were not happy with the Boynton hire, but you'll find very few with that view right now.
DRatings.com has Baylor and OSU in the NIT, and the other 7 in the field:
https://www.dratings.com/predictor/ncaa-basketball-predictions/big-12-basketball-projections/
I have found this to be a very good site, since they bother to project both the NCCA and the NIT. They have done a good job with it the past few years.
https://www.dratings.com/predictor/ncaa-basketball-predictions/big-12-basketball-projections/
I have found this to be a very good site, since they bother to project both the NCCA and the NIT. They have done a good job with it the past few years.
Baylor, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma should all be out honestly. We will see what happens though.
You can't just throw out what happened in November and December. Oklahoma has a much stronger non-conf profile.
