Monté Morris vs Tyrese Haliburton

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  1. LanningIsBakersDaddy

    LanningIsBakersDaddy Active Member

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    Two of the best point guards in school history I would say, but what would happen if they traded spots? For the sake of comparison I'm just looking at each individual's sophomore season.

    Current Tyrese Averages:
    GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
    16 36.4 49.2 38.8 76.7 5.9 7.4 0.6 2.5 1.2 2.7 15.7
    AST/TO: 2.74
    Team Record: 8-9

    2014-2015 Monté Morris Averages:
    GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
    34 33.9 50.7 39.5 75.3 3.4 5.2 0.4 1.9 1.3 1.1 11.9
    AST/TO: 4.73
    Team Record: 25-9, Big 12 Tourney Champs, lost early in the NCAA Tournament

    So how do you think things would play out if they traded spots and how would those two teams be affected by having different point guards? I think the most interesting thing would be to see Tyrese on a team where he can win games by just passing the ball. Lots of scorers on that team, he would rack up the assists.
     
  2. Fitzy

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    Tyrese on the floor with Naz Long and Matt Thomas alone would be incredible for drive and kick purposes. Then factor in dump-offs to Niang and lobs to McKay... My god.

    Morris would have been thrust into more of a scoring role similar to Tyrese this year and his efficiency likely would have taken a hit because of it across the board.
     
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  3. Clonefan32

    Clonefan32 Well-Known Member

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    As one of the broadcasters noted during the game, the fact that Haliburton can lead the Big 12 in assists with a total lack of shooters around him is really amazing. Imagine if he had even just average shooters with him.
     
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  4. LanningIsBakersDaddy

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    Throw in BDJ too and I think Tyrese is easily averaging over 10 assists per game which is unreal. But also that 2014-15 was one of the most talented Iowa State basketball teams of all time.

    It would be interesting to see what Monté would be with this team, obviously he would struggle more than we're used to seeing. Guessing the team would probably have a similar record although I think Monté has a little more ability to create his own shot so that could help.
     
  5. omar34

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    Tyrese is doing a hell of job considering he doesn't have the shooters around him that Monte had!
     
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  6. ISUTex

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    As of now I'd take Monte. Fewer turnovers and better at creating his own shot (and actually taking that shot). Nothing against Tyrese though. He's great as well.
     
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    Was this really true his sophomore year, though? And if it was, how much of it was enabled - or conversely how much of Tyrese's ability is hampered - by the level of outside shooting around the player in question. Defenses have figured out that they need to stop what is happening in the lane and can be safe taking their chances with the ISU outside shot.
     
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    Tyrese would be pretty amazing with that lineup, and a defensive upgrade due to his length and active hands. I struggle saying that he would do better than Monte because Monte's passing was a thing of beauty. He hit guys with the ball right where it needed to be to get a shot off in rhythm. That team was fluid offensively because Morris ran the show.

    I could see Monte being more a vocal leader for this year's team, but his assist/turnover ratio would be more pedestrian with the shooters we have. He would be the focal point of opposing defenses just like Haliburton is now.
     
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    As most stated above, give Tyrese the support cast that Monte had and he'd be even more unreal than he already is. Both unbelievable players and both extremely fun to watch. I will miss watching Tyrese play in the ISU uniform.
     
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    Its crazy but sophomore Monte had at least 6 guys better than anybody Tyrese has on the roster
     
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  11. mynameisjonas

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    Monté was much better.
     
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    One looks better with a better supporting cast. I’m amazed Haliburton has looked as good as he has with what he’s playing with.
     
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    I LOVE tyrese. I’m hoping that he’s stupid and decides to come back. ;)

    but tyrese had lots of good players last year and has disappeared several times this year.
     
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    Love TH but gotta go with the proven Monte. Jamaal Tinsley was a pretty dang good PG too.
     
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    Monte would be the Alpha dog this years team needs. If the rest of the team is struggling like what happens a lot this year he could take over. I love TH as a player but he is not an Alpha.
     
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  16. LanningIsBakersDaddy

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    That's what is interesting to me, it almost feels like TH would be a better fit on the 14-15 team and Monté would be a better fit on this years team.
     
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    Pull up jumpers, floaters, passing accuracy and lack of turnovers is what I think of when I think of Monte. All better than what I've seen from Halliburton. Doesn't mean Tyrese won't end up being a better player. I would just take Monte as of now. Monte also seemed like one of those guys you would want on your side in a bar fight. An Alpha.
     
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    Yeah, I'd take Tinsley over either one of them. He was unbelievable.
     
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  19. LanningIsBakersDaddy

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    He's a little out of my era, so I never really got to see him play. How much do you think he would help this years team?
     
  20. simply1

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    Monte really developed over those four years and had great guys to learn with. Comparing senior year Monte who played with niang and other great leaders to Hali is absolutely unfair.
     
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