Milan Rumors - Hand Injury

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I honestly think the only reason people are worked up (me included) is the Kstate debacle at home, losing the heart breaker at Arizona stinks but whatever not a bad loss and showed well, losing at Kansas also not a big deal. Getting whipped at home by 20 to a below average kstate team sucks.
In the midweek podcast, @brentblum said something similar, although he and CW acknowledged KSU being on an upswing recently. I do think it'd be more "absorbable" for most of us if at UA and at KU were losses, and K-State was a win, or perhaps being a single-digit loss.

Getting drubbed in OT at Arizona after the 60-footer made it worse, plus losing by 20-ish at Kansas.
 
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I honestly think the only reason people are worked up (me included) is the Kstate debacle at home, losing the heart breaker at Arizona stinks but whatever not a bad loss and showed well, losing at Kansas also not a big deal. Getting whipped at home by 20 to a below average kstate team sucks. Thats the biggest thing I think. I think this team probably goes 7-2, shows well in KC and could be a 2 seed. Also just root for Kstate to keep winning so that loss looks less bad.
And it is highly relevant that K State was sandwiched in between those games. The trap game to end all trap games.
 

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i will never buy the fatigue excuse, unless its something like the Big 12 tournament where you may play 3 games in 3 days or, now, 4 games in 4 days.
Yeah, I can kind get being a little sluggish on a Monday game after playing on a Saturday, but the other team is doing it too so it's not really a valid excuse. Plus in the most recent case, the effort was better on Monday than it was on Saturday.
 

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So wild to look at stuff like this and then scan through the first 12+ pages of this thread. Many of us were WAY off.

3-4 since the Milan injury. :(

I think we’re 6-1 had he not been injured.
 

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So wild to look at stuff like this and then scan through the first 12+ pages of this thread. Many of us were WAY off.

3-4 since the Milan injury. :(

I think we’re 6-1 had he not been injured.
oh i was WAYYY off for sure

I said if there was one guy who we could of afforded going down with an injury, it was him.

NOPE.
 

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The 2 Monday games were both on the road, in challenging arenas.
I thought it had always been that for Monday games, each team was either home/away or away/home with the previous Saturday game. For the Arizona game they were home/home and we were away/away.
 

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We played four games in 10 days, three of them on the road and two of them against elite programs. The one home game was against a team that at least pre-season and on-paper is a really talented team, no one expected KSU to suck for over half the year. Aside from any "fatigue" issues which are a touchy subject around here, that's a brutal schedule any way you slice it. I doubt many other teams have such a stretch this year.
 

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We played four games in 10 days, three of them on the road and two of them against elite programs. The one home game was against a team that at least pre-season and on-paper is a really talented team, no one expected KSU to suck for over half the year. Aside from any "fatigue" issues which are a touchy subject around here, that's a brutal schedule any way you slice it. I doubt many other teams have such a stretch this year.
You’re not wrong.

I still think we go 6-1 with Milan.
 

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We'll never know. However, they played well enough to win against KU (at home), UCF, ASU, and AZ, without Milan.

Every highly ranked team, with the exception of Auburn and Duke, has lost at least 3 games. Auburn is that good. Duke has a cake walk conference schedule. I believe the Cyclones bounce back tomorrow and get their mojo back.
 

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Can someone who understands statistics better than me explain this? I read it as Mom may well be this team's MVP primarily because of his efficiency, not because he's their best player. I'm one of those who's been proven wrong—right after the injury I saw his minutes and "output" (PTS, REB) and thought his minutes would be easy to replace, and, while their offensive ceiling would be lower and they probably couldn't match his PPG, they'd still be able to score enough to win with defense. Obviously his 3PT% would've been nice to have, and his ability to break you down (back down, fadeaway) is irreplaceable. But it seems like what they've missed is someone being even close to as efficient on offense in his minutes? And, I've been skeptical of this, but isn't the glass-half-full takeaway that they really may look like a different team right when he returns? Not because he's their best player but because he's the most important
 

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Nick Weiler-Babb was the best I have seen at improving his shot. Guy went from beyond horrible to good after one summer.

EDIT: He went from 31% to 32% to 36% 3 pt shooting. Weird. Seemed he was awful his first year here and greatly improved. I think he slumped badly at the end of the year to skew stats but whatever.
Are you maybe thinking of Naz Mitrou Long? He came in as a point guard and barely played as a freshman. When he did play he only hit 5 of 18 threes (.278). He worked like crazy all summer and changed his game altogether making himself into an elite shooter SG rather than a point guard. In the very first game that second season he shot 8 of 11 from three (more makes than his entire previous season) and never looked back shooting .400 that season on a very high volume.
 

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Can someone who understands statistics better than me explain this? I read it as Mom may well be this team's MVP primarily because of his efficiency, not because he's their best player. I'm one of those who's been proven wrong—right after the injury I saw his minutes and "output" (PTS, REB) and thought his minutes would be easy to replace, and, while their offensive ceiling would be lower and they probably couldn't match his PPG, they'd still be able to score enough to win with defense. Obviously his 3PT% would've been nice to have, and his ability to break you down (back down, fadeaway) is irreplaceable. But it seems like what they've missed is someone being even close to as efficient on offense in his minutes? And, I've been skeptical of this, but isn't the glass-half-full takeaway that they really may look like a different team right when he returns? Not because he's their best player but because he's the most important
Yep I think you’re spot on. “Best” and “most efficient” aren’t really even a valid comparison. I think we’ve all been humbled a bit in terms of how we as fans view the team as 5 players playing a role and fitting into a scheme/flow while on the court together, and how this ebs and flows even within a game or half. Clearly when Milan is available, during those games, the offense, flow, tempo, etc. has shown to be more efficient. I honestly didn’t think it would take such a major dive with him not being there - because again, he’s had many games where he hasn’t even played 20 minutes, and we only had 1 loss. But clearly we very much need him. His presence directly and indirectly makes everyone else better.
 
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I shot about 10 percent from three 3️⃣ n 8th grade. I watch Chatman in warm ups and surprisingly he has a decent three point shot. Wonder if he has just been told to not try it.
People would probably be surprised to know that he shot .348 from three his last two years at Wazzu. Granted that was only 31 makes so he wasn't shooting a lot of them but we could use an open pop from him now and then - with all of the screening he does it would make defending those a lot tougher if they had to respect him from the arc.
 
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Poor Milan. When he comes back he's going to have a lot of expectations on him for the whole team to make an immediate turnaround. Maybe it will. If it does his broken and now healed hand will be henceforth known as THE HAND OF GOD.
Hand of God? So is it a chainsaw hand or Maradona's hand?
 

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Are you maybe thinking of Naz Mitrou Long? He came in as a point guard and barely played as a freshman. When he did play he only hit 5 of 18 threes (.278). He worked like crazy all summer and changed his game altogether making himself into an elite shooter SG rather than a point guard. In the very first game that second season he shot 8 of 11 from three (more makes than his entire previous season) and never looked back shooting .400 that season on a very high volume.
No, Weiler-Babb but you make a good point on Naz. Stats don't show it and maybe I am incorrect as been awhile. But I remember Weiler-Babb couldn't shoot a lick but having good defense. Then somehow he came back from a summer and was lights out.