Milan Rumors - Hand Injury

[NoCreativity]

Yeah. Those trips to Missouri State and University of Evansville are gauntlets

Are you're blaming this on fatigue? The only time this comes up is when we aren't playing well. Weird how nobody talked about it last year.

 

[CoachHines3]

Are you're blaming this on fatigue? The only time this comes up is when we aren't playing well. Weird how nobody talked about it last year.

i will never buy the fatigue excuse, unless its something like the Big 12 tournament where you may play 3 games in 3 days or, now, 4 games in 4 days.

 

[NoCreativity]

i will never buy the fatigue excuse, unless its something like the Big 12 tournament where you may play 3 games in 3 days or, now, 4 games in 4 days.

I could buy it if our guys were playing unusually high minutes compared to other teams, but that's just not the case.

Gilbert and Jones are our highest right now and are 8th and 12th in the Big 12 respectively in minutes played.

 

[CoachHines3]

I could buy it if our guys were playing unusually high minutes compared to other teams, but that's just not the case.

Gilbert and Jones are our highest right now and are 8th and 12th in the Big 12 respectively in minutes played.

especially when in the off season all we hear about is the hype of these "soccer field workouts"

 

[Baseline23]

I'm curious how Heise averaged 14 in the Valley. And I assumed at UNI it was mostly in the halfcourt.

 

[NoCreativity]

I'm curious how Heise averaged 14 in the Valley. And I assumed at UNI it was mostly in the halfcourt.

Terrible competition compared to what he's seeing now?

 

[Baseline23]

Terrible competition compared to what he's seeing now?

You think the Mo Valley is "terrible"?

 

[Cloned4Life]

Terrible competition compared to what he's seeing now?

Against North Carolina, Texas Tech, and Stanford last year, he had 14, 18, and 15 points, going 14-27 from the field and 6-11 from 3 during that 3 game stretch.

He had 16 games last year where he had 15+ points and 14 games where he made at least 2 three-pointers. He had an 8 game stretch where he scored 20+ 4 times. He was hyped up in the offseason because he was a very good player on both ends, and a very good athlete, that absolutely belongs on a P4 roster. But no doubt he’s lost a metric sh*t ton of confidence for some reason.

 

[Rural]

Against North Carolina, Texas Tech, and Stanford last year, he had 14, 18, and 15 points, going 14-27 from the field and 6-11 from 3 during that 3 game stretch.

He had 16 games last year where he had 15+ points and 14 games where he made at least 2 three-pointers. He had an 8 game stretch where he scored 20+ 4 times. He was hyped up in the offseason because he was a very good player on both ends, and a very good athlete, that absolutely belongs on a P4 roster. But no doubt he’s lost a metric sh*t ton of confidence for some reason.

It's obviously easier playing there.

 

[heitclone]

Correctrion: Per ISU website stats Milan is 40% (6 of 15) in Big12 Conference play.

What the above list tells me is we are pretty average 3 points shooting team. And in fact ISU ranks 9th in Big12 games in 3pt shooting % at 33%. Interesting our 3 point defense is tied for 12/13th best with opponents shooting 35.7%. KU, TT, WVU and ASU all limit opposing teams to shooting under 30% from 3.

So during our recent 3 game skid, other than than KU, our 3 point shooting has been typical: UA 7-24 & KSU 8-18. So I feel our sluggish offense is less about 3 point shooting, and more about opposing defenses are clogging the paint. Sure opponents can clog the paint if we aren't hitting 3's.

But IMO opposing coaches catch on to tendencies. And most of the time our offense initiates action from the free throw circle. So teams are crowding below the free throw line making dribble penetration tough and resulting in difficult shots and turnovers. Plus on the high ball screens our guards aren't really scoring threats, so no reason for the screeners defender to come up. They can clog the paint.

We need more ball movement to shift sides, solid screens with cutting and dribble penetration from the wing to break tendencies.

I agree with this. Don't get me wrong, Milan is a great shooter and the offense would be better with him but I think this slump was coming no matter what. We were shooting well and scoring points but a lot of it came from 1 on 1 offense, not from running good offense. Our two best offensive players KG/CJ are ball dominant and are very much score first type of players. KG can play a true PG role but CJ is shooting 99% of the time he is initiates offense. We're predictable and easy to guard in the half court.

Milan would help that but looking back at the non con and early conference schedule, you can argue we played our best basketball when Milan was on the bench. TJ had started sitting him the last 10 minutes or so of most games, he typically only came in situationally to give someone a breather and hopefully hit a shot. Heise was playing much more in crunch time. Games like Dayton, Marquette, Iowa and Colorado we saw our runs all come with Milan on the bench. Milan being out is part of why we're struggling but he's not THE reason.

Another thing that sticks out is that we're also not as great defensively. We havent been getting live ball turnovers and turning them into points during this stretch. That's definitely not influenced by Milan.

 

[cycloneworld]

Against North Carolina, Texas Tech, and Stanford last year, he had 14, 18, and 15 points, going 14-27 from the field and 6-11 from 3 during that 3 game stretch.

He had 16 games last year where he had 15+ points and 14 games where he made at least 2 three-pointers. He had an 8 game stretch where he scored 20+ 4 times. He was hyped up in the offseason because he was a very good player on both ends, and a very good athlete, that absolutely belongs on a P4 roster. But no doubt he’s lost a metric sh*t ton of confidence for some reason.

Yep, he’s proven he can do it. And we don’t need him to score 10+ but 6-8 ppg off the bench would be huge right now. But you can’t be a zero on offense, especially with our guards not shooting very well right now. Instead, this is his point totals in B12 play:

0
4
1
2
0
2
9
1
2
0
0

He’s made 9 shots in 11 Big 12 games. That’s not indicative of a capable offensively player at this level. He brings a lot more to this team but making 1-2 open shots per game is a must offensively.

 

[Cloned4Life]

It's obviously easier playing there.

Well no sh*t.

 

[Cloned4Life]

Yep, he’s proven he can do it. And we don’t need him to score 10+ but 6-8 ppg off the bench would be huge right now. But you can’t be a zero on offense, especially with our guards not shooting very well right now. Instead, this is his point totals in B12 play:

0
4
1
2
0
2
9
1
2
0
0

He’s made 9 shots in 11 Big 12 games. That’s not indicative of a capable offensively player at this level. He brings a lot more to this team but making 1-2 open shots per game is a must offensively.

Agree. He has to be much better. It has objectively been a really disappointing first half of Conference play from him.

 

[madguy30]

Are you're blaming this on fatigue? The only time this comes up is when we aren't playing well. Weird how nobody talked about it last year.

It was talked about last year toward the end of the season.

ISU was grinding out close wins and didn't play well at KSU in a loss.

CW on one pod went with the narrative including the 'they looked like a FF team in January' which is always just a weird thing since nobody 'looks' like a FF team except the teams that get there, no matter how they got there.

Many were on here speculating that they would lose in the B12 tourney then get bounced in the first round of the tourney.

 

[madguy30]

You think the Mo Valley is "terrible"?

It usually has one, maybe two teams that are consistently capable of competing with top half of conference level P6 teams.

 

[madguy30]

I agree with this. Don't get me wrong, Milan is a great shooter and the offense would be better with him but I think this slump was coming no matter what. We were shooting well and scoring points but a lot of it came from 1 on 1 offense, not from running good offense. Our two best offensive players KG/CJ are ball dominant and are very much score first type of players. KG can play a true PG role but CJ is shooting 99% of the time he is initiates offense. We're predictable and easy to guard in the half court.

Milan would help that but looking back at the non con and early conference schedule, you can argue we played our best basketball when Milan was on the bench. TJ had started sitting him the last 10 minutes or so of most games, he typically only came in situationally to give someone a breather and hopefully hit a shot. Heise was playing much more in crunch time. Games like Dayton, Marquette, Iowa and Colorado we saw our runs all come with Milan on the bench. Milan being out is part of why we're struggling but he's not THE reason.

Another thing that sticks out is that we're also not as great defensively. We havent been getting live ball turnovers and turning them into points during this stretch. That's definitely not influenced by Milan.

Perhaps Milan being out to close out games allowed for the dynamics and 'burst' to stay strong for whomever was out there but I'd have to go watch those games again and see what the rotation was.

Defensively, the metrics are still really good, but yeah, they're not making teams as uncomfortable it seems. BRE wasn't exactly a top athlete but was pretty quick and if nothing else was going to make you hate having the ball near him with his frenzied movement.

 

[NoCreativity]

Many were on here speculating that they would lose in the B12 tourney then get bounced in the first round of the tourne

Lol, becuase of 1 loss in Mamhattan? Go back and look at the schedule, they had won 4 in a row before that.

On Torvick they had game scores of 78, 97, 94, and 87 in the 4 games prior. That's hardly playing bad.

 

[Psiclone]

I was really hoping our guards would have worked on outside shooting in the offseason. I understand Lipsey with his shoulder surgery. Jones and Milan shoot the ball well, but could always use more reps. The guards I thought could be of the caliber of Villanova back in there championship run in 2016. Our guards would be begging to shoot the 3 and knock it down or use the pump fake to drive. Being we have undersized guards I thought that could help.

I agree with this. Don't get me wrong, Milan is a great shooter and the offense would be better with him but I think this slump was coming no matter what. We were shooting well and scoring points but a lot of it came from 1 on 1 offense, not from running good offense. Our two best offensive players KG/CJ are ball dominant and are very much score first type of players. KG can play a true PG role but CJ is shooting 99% of the time he is initiates offense. We're predictable and easy to guard in the half court.

Milan would help that but looking back at the non con and early conference schedule, you can argue we played our best basketball when Milan was on the bench. TJ had started sitting him the last 10 minutes or so of most games, he typically only came in situationally to give someone a breather and hopefully hit a shot. Heise was playing much more in crunch time. Games like Dayton, Marquette, Iowa and Colorado we saw our runs all come with Milan on the bench. Milan being out is part of why we're struggling but he's not THE reason.

Another thing that sticks out is that we're also not as great defensively. We havent been getting live ball turnovers and turning them into points during this stretch. That's definitely not influenced by Milan.

Agree re: the defense. Conference teams know how to play against our defense at this point. Keep away from areas where we double team to avoid turnovers, swing the ball to the open shooter when we do double team, and get everyone back after a shot goes up to limit fast break opportunities. Unfortunately, when we only have one scoring threat from 3-pt, it's much easier to focus on that one person leaving open low percentage 3-pt shooters.

 

[AllInForISU]

You think the Mo Valley is "terrible"?

Relative to the Big 12 as @NoCreativity alluded to? Absolutely. Different level of athletes.

 

[rosshm16]

I'm curious how Heise averaged 14 in the Valley. And I assumed at UNI it was mostly in the halfcourt.

A UNI fan on this board (I forget your name, sorry UNI fan) was asked recently how Heise looks compared to last year, and they said he was about what they expected at ISU, said his scoring/shooting stats were somewhat deceptive because he scored a lot of easy baskets on plays designed to get him an easy shot near the basket.

I never watched him before this year, so what do I know, but I'm still really surprised by his three-point shooting. Last year he shot almost 36% on 4.1 attempts per game, that's quite good, well above "average" for a division 1 guard. The MVC is not the Big 12 but that ability should transfer much better than it has.