Michigan State is in Major trouble

[intrepid27]

No matter how bad this gets or looks, I am not going to surprised if the NCAA does nothing at all or hand down some slap on the wrist penalty like no spring game for the FB team and you have to take down your gymnastics trophy case.

NCAA has neither legal nor moral jurisdiction in cases like this. After the Ped State case got overturned the are not going to go down that road again. I have no expectation what soever that they will or can do anything. Much like Baylor.

Not sure if Big 10 can do anything.

 

[canker2323]

It would be nice to see one of these schools' entire athletic department shut down for a few years. I don't care if other sports had nothing to do with it (MSU has issues with other sports though).

 

[Mr Janny]

NCAA has neither legal nor moral jurisdiction in cases like this. After the Ped State case got overturned the are not going to go down that road again. I have no expectation what soever that they will or can do anything. Much like Baylor.

Not sure if Big 10 can do anything.

This is the truth. If the NCAA tries to step in with harsh penalties, they will get smacked down. Everyone knows that, now. Penn State proved it. The NCAA is toothless when it comes to stuff like this.

 

[Mr Janny]

It would be nice to see one of these schools' entire athletic department shut down for a few years. I don't care if other sports had nothing to do with it (MSU has issues with other sports though).

Who would have the authority to order that, though?

 

[Cycsk]

Here is another article that lists where the money will come from:

Interim President John Engler has said the costs will be covered by tuition and state aid.
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Engler is the most tone deaf university president ever. How about some of the settlement comes from the salaries of the current and most recent former presidents?

 

[CycloneErik]

Engler is the most tone deaf university president ever. How about some of the settlement comes from the salaries of the current and most recent former presidents?

That would be a hardship to those esteemed leaders. Can't have that.
It also would never cover nearly the amount the school needs.

 

[alarson]

This is the truth. If the NCAA tries to step in with harsh penalties, they will get smacked down. Everyone knows that, now. Penn State proved it. The NCAA is toothless when it comes to stuff like this.

The NCAA should have been reinforced to have these teeth after PSU.

IMO, if you're covering criminal **** up in the athletics department and abandoning the mission of any educational institution (serving the welfare of students\kids) in order to protect your athletics success, there needs to be something that disincentivizes that sort of behavior. Basically saying "it is better for you to come clean immediately, because you will be absolutely wrecked on the backside if you don't"

 

[isufbcurt]

The NCAA should have been reinforced to have these teeth after PSU.

There's no way to give them that authority though.

 

[Cycsk]

Where are the regional accrediting associations? The whole world knows that the athletic departments are out of control in these schools. Shouldn't there be at least a notation on an accreditation review? Standards of "governance" are supposed to be scrutinized during the process.

 

[canker2323]

Who would have the authority to order that, though?

The state of Michigan.

 

[alarson]

There's no way to give them that authority though.

There absolutely 100% is. The institutions within the NCAA can set whatever rules (and punishments) they want for their members.

Just because something is criminal doesn't mean that the NCAA cannot also punish for the same things.

 

[LutherBlue]

There absolutely 100% is. The institutions within the NCAA can set whatever rules (and punishments) they want for their members.

Just because something is criminal doesn't mean that the NCAA cannot also punish for the same things.

I think you answered your own question.

 

[Mr Janny]

The NCAA should have been reinforced to have these teeth after PSU.

IMO, if you're covering criminal **** up in the athletics department and abandoning the mission of any educational institution (serving the welfare of students\kids) in order to protect your athletics success, there needs to be something that disincentivizes that sort of behavior. Basically saying "it is better for you to come clean immediately, because you will be absolutely wrecked on the backside if you don't"

I think the legal system needs to be that deterrent. That's their role. I mean, think about it. If a stock trader is found to have molested a bunch of kids at work, and the company he worked for covered it up so he could keep making them money, should the SEC step in and bar the company from trading? That's not really their purview. It's the legal system's job arrest those involved in committing the crime, and prosecute them.

Looking to some arbitrary Athletic association to step in and mete out justice for horrible crimes, is sort of misguided, don't you think? A situation like Penn State or Michigan State goes so far beyond silly little college athletics. It's a legal issue, not an athletic one.

 

[alarson]

I think you answered your own question.

Nah, i understood why those changes weren't made, as you allude to, but ongoing situations like this at MSU or the ones at Baylor show why they should have made those changes.

 

[Mr Janny]

There absolutely 100% is. The institutions within the NCAA can set whatever rules (and punishments) they want for their members.

Just because something is criminal doesn't mean that the NCAA cannot also punish for the same things.

The Penn State aftermath seems to indicate differently. The NCAA had to do some big verbal gymnastics to justify their ability to punish Penn State, and the courts didn't let them get away with it. The NCAA can't just decide that they have this power. The member institutions have to grant it. As it stands, they don't have it.

 

[mywayorcyway]

$500 million is a bonkers number. In no way am I arguing the victims don't deserve it, what makes me curious is how is this something a university can survive, even one as large as Michigan State? This isn't AT&T, it's a state university. That is a half a billion dollars. Who pays for this and how does it get done?

 

[alarson]

It's a legal issue, not an athletic one.

When the legal issues are compounded because the institution cares more about athletics than kids, it is both, IMO.

 

[Go2Guy]

From the article above:

Michigan State's agreement stipulates that $425 million will be distributed to claimants who are currently part of the lawsuits. An allocator will determine how much each person will receive.
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This article says there are currently 332(!!) victims, which means the avg payout per victim is around $1.28 million.

Here is another article that lists where the money will come from:

Interim President John Engler has said the costs will be covered by tuition and state aid. Some lawmakers have said no state aid should be used. University officials have said their legal expenses are being paid with non-endowment investment income.

MSU brought in $859 million in tuition revenue in 2016-17, according to its audited financial statements. That's 29% of its total revenue of $2.9 billion. ​

How can the State of Michigan, with the revenue drain they experienced in the last 10-yrs, generate & cover that cost ?@? One would think that $425 MM would bury any public institution, but I'm still baffled Penn St could absorb nearly twice that and still survive.

 

[alarson]

The Penn State aftermath seems to indicate differently. The NCAA had to do some big verbal gymnastics to justify their ability to punish Penn State, and the courts didn't let them get away with it. The NCAA can't just decide that they have this power. The member institutions have to grant it. As it stands, they don't have it.

And that was never in argument. Again, they should have added these things to the bylaws.

 

[Mr Janny]

When the legal issues are compounded because the institution cares more about athletics than kids, it is both, IMO.

Not in any enforceable way, it seems.