especially in regards to the Dale suspension (added to the other off-field problems as-of late). Do you know of any such "differences in philosophy" or other fractures among players and/or coaches? Anything or changes pending after the season? Man, this is not a good way to head into a season. Smells a little like 2003. I sincerely hope not, I don't think I can take that again.
Jeremy - There has been a lot of talk about turmoil within the FB program
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What's the matter, Cykotherapy? Don't you have enough ammunition for your anti-Mac rants? You digging for more dirt to add to the arsenal? :
I think there are two possible reasons why we are hearing so much about turmoil in the FB program.
1-Dan McCarney has lost his reign on the players and they do not respect his authority anymore. They don't have discipline and feel they can get away with things.
or
2-There is a new AD in town that put down his foot and said things have to be very strict and everything will be made public to help make things right. There is a rule of transperancy that makes everything behind the scenes more public and more in line with the rules & guidelines.
I think number 2 is the most likely reason. With Pollard in charge, he is sending notice to all the coaches (and the fans for that matter) that things are changing and a new bar will be set not just with on the field performances but also off the field situations. He is really trying to clean things up at the basement level to help keep potential issues from getting to the point of hurting a program(s).
1-Dan McCarney has lost his reign on the players and they do not respect his authority anymore. They don't have discipline and feel they can get away with things.
or
2-There is a new AD in town that put down his foot and said things have to be very strict and everything will be made public to help make things right. There is a rule of transperancy that makes everything behind the scenes more public and more in line with the rules & guidelines.
I think number 2 is the most likely reason. With Pollard in charge, he is sending notice to all the coaches (and the fans for that matter) that things are changing and a new bar will be set not just with on the field performances but also off the field situations. He is really trying to clean things up at the basement level to help keep potential issues from getting to the point of hurting a program(s).
I think everybody will agree that we aren't happy with the off-field issues. And I'm not going to explain them away by saying stuff like "that happens everywhere". I really don't think this year is much different than any other. It just seems worse since we lost guys like Robertson and Berryman.
I mean crap, we've had more guys than Berryman in the slammer in the last few years. Hell Jerry Gair is almost going to be at retirement age by the time he gets out of the clink.
Sad to say, this really isn't as bad as it has been.
I mean crap, we've had more guys than Berryman in the slammer in the last few years. Hell Jerry Gair is almost going to be at retirement age by the time he gets out of the clink.
Sad to say, this really isn't as bad as it has been.
you have problems on every school campus. it has been there for 45 years. some of us were lucky that we did not get caught. dave hoppman, bill smith and i were always teased into good fisticuffs down at the local watering holes. we completed our tasks, and were smart enough to get the hell out of dodge before any of the local peros were called to the scene. when we went down town there was always some SOB with a chip on his shoulder that wanted to pick on our threesome, particularly hoppman. i guarantee dave hoppman was a pretty good boxer as was smitty and myself.our particular coaches had a pretty good working relationship with the ames police. coach harold nichols saved a lot of our lives during the late 5o's and early 60's.
JEREMY:every college has their problems with discipline of athletes. serious offences like what berryman did desrved harsher treatment-such as theft. i can't think of a problem of any school that we had in the old big eight and now in the big 12did not have . about every school inthe big 12 has had some type of problem. texas has the recent case of ramonce taylor possessing illegal drugs. mack brown will probably dismiss taylor from the texas team. don't think that will put a big hole in the texas running back depth. taylor played on a lot of offensive plays for the longhorns last year. it wil probably help our odds when we play texas. texas does not have any experienced players at qb either.
some of the worst problems that any school had was when barry switzer was head coach at oklahoma. you could almost say they had gang violence on the norman campus when switzer was head coach of the okies. their problems at oklahoma would make iowa state's problems look miniscule. i do not know until this day how much money the sooner alumni spent on keeping the okie animal house in order.
some of the worst problems that any school had was when barry switzer was head coach at oklahoma. you could almost say they had gang violence on the norman campus when switzer was head coach of the okies. their problems at oklahoma would make iowa state's problems look miniscule. i do not know until this day how much money the sooner alumni spent on keeping the okie animal house in order.
Hey Woodie!
Good job on responding to the subject matter! I think it's great to hear perspective from someone like you who's got a few more "wiskers" than others regarding past Cyclone/Big 8 history! Keep the comments coming!
So ... Give us a little information on Hoppman and/or his teammates. I've never really heard anyone describe his style of play or equate him to any players of today. Thanks again!
Good job on responding to the subject matter! I think it's great to hear perspective from someone like you who's got a few more "wiskers" than others regarding past Cyclone/Big 8 history! Keep the comments coming!
So ... Give us a little information on Hoppman and/or his teammates. I've never really heard anyone describe his style of play or equate him to any players of today. Thanks again!
Speaking of problems, Nebraska just booted off one of their best recruits, Major Calvert from California, who was to be one of their top safties next year. Four days in jail last week after a rape charge. Nebraska backed out of the scholarship offer.
a little bit about the dirty thirty teams and about david hoppmann. the dirty thirty was a mix of some korean war vets and some younger high school athletes. dwight nichols was the tailback on the dirty thirty along with tommy watkins at tailback. nichols was a little guy 170 to 180 lbs, but a very gutsy player. tommy watkins was very shy with a real ggod sense of humor. tommy was an outstanding softball player and could lay down a short bunt from the left handed batting position and he could fly to first base. tommy was an exceptional fullback on the dirty 30 and went on to play proball at the detriot lions at full back. after playing with the detroit lions i think, but am not certain that tommy ended up with several kentucky fried chicken stores as a KFC FRANCHISEE.i think nichols went back to knoxville and went into business there. coach jim myers recruited most of the dirty thirty in 1957. he left after one year and went to join tom landry at the dallas cowboys. clay stapleton became head coach of the cyclones in 1958. he recriuted bill smith and dave hoppman afyer tommy watkins and dwight nichols graduated from iowa state. hoppy was about 6-1 and 170-175 lbs. he was recriuted from a high school in milwaukee wis. bill smith was a big 230 lb running back from grundy center iowa and bill played fullback on the cyclones when hoppman was tailback. hoppy was a good looking blond and always had coeds bugging him.
he was a very good running tailback on stapleton's old tennessee single wing offense. he was a pretty decent passer. he was a delta sig, so smitty , hoppman,**** scesniak a guard on the football team would always meet at the delta sig house to study as we had several classes together. smitty ,hoppy, and scesniak were all above average students as they were 3.0 or above students. i remember when smitty was not attending classes in his jr year and stapleton got all over him for academic indifference.
smitty ended up on the dean's list that quarter and stapleton had to eat his words. after studying we would all adjourn to a local pub downtown to have a tall cool one before we went to bed. what can i say about dave hoppman-if you knew dave and was on his inner circle of friends-he was a gentlemen's gentleman-extremely wellmannered . i used to take him to the farm that i grew up on near scranton,iowa. dave was a good student academically. when he graduated from college he went to florida and was involved in sales. afer about ten years to the date of his graduation, he was killed in a head on car collision in florida. i still treasure the good times we had together in school and was severely saddened by his loss in his automoblie accident. he was truly a great friend.
he was a very good running tailback on stapleton's old tennessee single wing offense. he was a pretty decent passer. he was a delta sig, so smitty , hoppman,**** scesniak a guard on the football team would always meet at the delta sig house to study as we had several classes together. smitty ,hoppy, and scesniak were all above average students as they were 3.0 or above students. i remember when smitty was not attending classes in his jr year and stapleton got all over him for academic indifference.
smitty ended up on the dean's list that quarter and stapleton had to eat his words. after studying we would all adjourn to a local pub downtown to have a tall cool one before we went to bed. what can i say about dave hoppman-if you knew dave and was on his inner circle of friends-he was a gentlemen's gentleman-extremely wellmannered . i used to take him to the farm that i grew up on near scranton,iowa. dave was a good student academically. when he graduated from college he went to florida and was involved in sales. afer about ten years to the date of his graduation, he was killed in a head on car collision in florida. i still treasure the good times we had together in school and was severely saddened by his loss in his automoblie accident. he was truly a great friend.
Wesley,
It is not clear what Major Culbert did. With what he was charged with, it is not clear what he did exactly. Callahan has suspended the scholarship until more information is available. Hopefully he will be cleared of all charges, but it doesn't look good. He was a 3 star and would have had a chance for PT either on ST or as a backup safety. We'll see what happens over the next few weeks/months. If he's guilty, good bye and good riddance.
It is not clear what Major Culbert did. With what he was charged with, it is not clear what he did exactly. Callahan has suspended the scholarship until more information is available. Hopefully he will be cleared of all charges, but it doesn't look good. He was a 3 star and would have had a chance for PT either on ST or as a backup safety. We'll see what happens over the next few weeks/months. If he's guilty, good bye and good riddance.
And over in the Nebraska Redlands, their 5-star 4.4 40 Andre Jones (future safety again) Frenso College will not make grades etc. to make the class. He will not attend their school. So recruiting blips happen all over like the Redlands, not just in Ames. Billy gambles on a border linme star and he failed to make the cut.
I don't think that it's a lack of control that is causing the off the field issues. I think that there is a climate in sports where we try to make the players feel like they are invincible to gain a maximum performance on the field and then expect them to turn it off when the game/practice is over. In towns like Ames, Iowa City, Cedar Falls, etc. it is a small community atmosphere, and everybody knows what is happening especially with the athletes.
In Iowa City the athletic department does a phenomenal job of keeping things hidden, and they are supported by the media and the citizens. Ames does not seem to have that relationship established, and that hurts the image of the athletic department at times.
In Iowa City the athletic department does a phenomenal job of keeping things hidden, and they are supported by the media and the citizens. Ames does not seem to have that relationship established, and that hurts the image of the athletic department at times.
i made an errant statement in one of my posts above. i said it was not a coaches' job to babysit
his athletes. well harold nichols used to corral all of the wrestlers on new year's eve. we would meet at his house and ole uncle nic would take us to a flick in downtown ames at about 10 pm. after the flick,nick would invite us back to his residence for some good "eats"!!! i guarantee mrs nic could really cook. she was a very gracious lady that coach nichols had met in alabama and she had that alabama charm.
we brought our sleeping bags to nic's house and serpt there until the next morning.coach nichols kept us out of trouble on the new years eve. i guess you call that" wrestling sitting".
his athletes. well harold nichols used to corral all of the wrestlers on new year's eve. we would meet at his house and ole uncle nic would take us to a flick in downtown ames at about 10 pm. after the flick,nick would invite us back to his residence for some good "eats"!!! i guarantee mrs nic could really cook. she was a very gracious lady that coach nichols had met in alabama and she had that alabama charm.
we brought our sleeping bags to nic's house and serpt there until the next morning.coach nichols kept us out of trouble on the new years eve. i guess you call that" wrestling sitting".
The most famous babysitting job in Nebraska Redlands or Dead Zone as NU Fan might say was when Tom Osbourne moved Lawrence Phillips into his own house to keep Lawrence out of trouble. Of course, when he moved on and out, he sort of played out his luck. Did any ISU coaches move a player into their house to watch him? I guess it worked.
Bryce,
Andre Jones, the #1 JUCO corner is fine and will be in Lincoln in June. Steve Allen (former Cyclone recruit) and now former NU JUCO LB will not be able to make it to Lincoln. Some NCAA clearinghouse technicality, he attended 3 JUCOs in the past 2 years, and that will make him ineligible. Sounds like a stupid rule, but again that is the NCAAs.
So far, Nebraska has lost 2 recruits from this past year for sure: Ricky Henry, center from Omaha, and the afore-mentioned Steve Allen. Major Culbert is also doubtful to make it to Lincoln. Depends upon how fast the courts go in Oregon and whether or not he's innocent or guilty.
Also, it amazes me how far fetched the Lawrence Phillips story continues to become. It has been 11 years now and it is still brought up like it was yesterday. By the way, I never heard of Lawrence moving in with Osborne. Provide a link if you can, which is doubtful.
Andre Jones, the #1 JUCO corner is fine and will be in Lincoln in June. Steve Allen (former Cyclone recruit) and now former NU JUCO LB will not be able to make it to Lincoln. Some NCAA clearinghouse technicality, he attended 3 JUCOs in the past 2 years, and that will make him ineligible. Sounds like a stupid rule, but again that is the NCAAs.
So far, Nebraska has lost 2 recruits from this past year for sure: Ricky Henry, center from Omaha, and the afore-mentioned Steve Allen. Major Culbert is also doubtful to make it to Lincoln. Depends upon how fast the courts go in Oregon and whether or not he's innocent or guilty.
Also, it amazes me how far fetched the Lawrence Phillips story continues to become. It has been 11 years now and it is still brought up like it was yesterday. By the way, I never heard of Lawrence moving in with Osborne. Provide a link if you can, which is doubtful.
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If I understand your post correctly, then I am even more thankful that I live in Ames. I firmly believe that covering anything up is just plain wrong. I'm enough of a realist to understand that not everyone has the same personal standards as I do and that college athletics has some distinct business aspects to it. I also don't want the media to just be negative or sensationalistic and make the athletic department look bad without due cause. But I don't want even a hint of "win at any cost" -- if that means we have to use *really* bad characters and cover things up for them.
In Iowa City the athletic department does a phenomenal job of keeping things hidden, and they are supported by the media and the citizens. Ames does not seem to have that relationship established, and that hurts the image of the athletic department at times.
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If I understand your post correctly, then I am even more thankful that I live in Ames. I firmly believe that covering anything up is just plain wrong. I'm enough of a realist to understand that not everyone has the same personal standards as I do and that college athletics has some distinct business aspects to it. I also don't want the media to just be negative or sensationalistic and make the athletic department look bad without due cause. But I don't want even a hint of "win at any cost" -- if that means we have to use *really* bad characters and cover things up for them.
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Distinguished Gentlemen Lawrence is continiously brought to the table for a number of reasons...mainly due to "Larry" being the standard-bearer of ultimate college-athlete bad egg...Sure there have been plenty of other athletes who stray (naughty Berryman), but not with the national profile of crazy Larry. His gold medal in co-ed follicle-dragging amongst other golden moments forever cements his legacy and attaches his career like a nast deer tick to the bios of Osborne and Big-Red football.
Distinguished Gentlemen Lawrence is continiously brought to the table for a number of reasons...mainly due to "Larry" being the standard-bearer of ultimate college-athlete bad egg...Sure there have been plenty of other athletes who stray (naughty Berryman), but not with the national profile of crazy Larry. His gold medal in co-ed follicle-dragging amongst other golden moments forever cements his legacy and attaches his career like a nast deer tick to the bios of Osborne and Big-Red football.
