Jacobson was a giant difference maker

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What are opinions on MJake's foul away from the ball on the made 3 pointer?

It was a little shove but man did he go down easy like he was shot by a gun. Huge play for the guys to avoid a 5 or 6 point Tech single possession.
That was BS all the way around. Shouldn't have been called a foul, but understood why. In no way should the shot have counted however. Just bad officiating on that play.
 

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You are out of your mind.

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Guys I think who will play in the league ranked by who has the most work to do, assuming a lot of Wigginton's rust is coming back from injury. The upside ranking might be that list exactly flipped but that's where they are as of Jan 17 if the draft were today.
 

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Can’t be true. Fran obviously doesn’t know anything about basketball.

Listened to prohm on the post game on my iHeartRadio app 100.3 the bus. Said mike came on Sunday and asked what he could do. Told him 3 boards weren’t acceptable.

I think he listened.
Jacobson's offense is not what we need out of him, however his ability to get 8-12 points in the flow of the game is always welcomed. What he needs to do is completely engulf himself in the role of rebounding machine (on both ends) and tough-nosed, wall-up defense against opposing bigs. If he does that with effort every night, he will be a huge piece to where this team can ultimately go.
 
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Just awful home cooking officiating there. Horrible. In fact, Tech got several home whistles even after this play. It's a real testament to our boys that they were able to still pull out the W.

I often end up listening to games on sirius radio on my west coast commute then watch the replay later. I listened to most of the game with Tech's home announcers and man, they are 100x the homers Walters/Heft are. I'd say half of our made baskets were traveling by their call, and we lived at the free throw line where Tech couldn't get a foul call, nevermind Tech got called for less fouls and only shot less free throws because they missed the front of almost every one and one you possibly could take.

One of the announcers WENT BALLISTIC that Haliburton did the raise the roof arms after he lobbed the dunk to Conditt.
 
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Just awful home cooking officiating there. Horrible. In fact, Tech got several home whistles even after this play. It's a real testament to our boys that they were able to still pull out the W.
It's too bad that that play is not reviewable. To me, this would make perfect sense to be a reviewable play. You call a foul and a shot is on its way to the basket. Because of the foul, there is a natural stoppage in play. Go look in the monitor to see if the shot happens before the foul or after. Is there conclusive evidence that the call made on the court (made shot) should be overturned? If so, wave the basket off - if not, the call stands. Heck, they do this sort of thing to determine if a player's made shot actually beat the 30-sec clock / game clock.
Now whether or not the refs would have overturned the call last night is another matter - but this is a rule that needs to be implemented.
 

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I think there are some calls that are rare and kind of quirky that refs love to call if they happen to get the chance. If its even close they will always call it. This is one of those calls. I
 

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Guys I think who will play in the league ranked by who has the most work to do, assuming a lot of Wigginton's rust is coming back from injury. The upside ranking might be that list exactly flipped but that's where they are as of Jan 17 if the draft were today.

I'd put Lard on there. Obviously at the bottom but he's on there. Honestly, right now, I think Wigginton is looking more like a D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera or Melo Trimble where every year is going to be his last year but he's here for 3-4 years. Haliburton is going to have to be more assertive. He was fine last night but he's too good to be that passive. There's something to be said for his efficiency but his highest usage games are also some of his best while his worst is one of two of his lowest usage games. It'd be nice to see him consistently in that 12-15% range.
 

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I often end up listening to games on sirius radio on my west coast commute then watch the replay later. I listened to most of the game with Tech's home announcers and man, they are 100x the homers Walters/Heft are. I'd say half of our made baskets were traveling by their call, and we lived at the free throw line where Tech couldn't get a foul call, nevermind Tech got called for less fouls and only shot less free throws because they missed the front of almost every one and one you possibly could take.

One of the announcers WENT BALLISTIC that Haliburton did the raise the roof arms after he lobbed the dunk to Conditt.

TTU was getting the bad end of the whistle for a lot of that game.
 

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.....Tech's home announcers and man, they are 100x the homers Walters/Heft are. I'd say half of our made baskets were traveling by their call.....

The refs did miss two ISU travels, maybe three. But the MJ foul and allowed TT 3 pointer was the worst call of a very average game by the refs.
 
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The refs did miss two ISU travels, maybe three. But the MJ foul and allowed TT 3 pointer was the worst call of a very average game by the refs.

Agree with this and will add the whistles Culver was getting down the stretch were extremely inconsistent with how the rest of the game was called. Props to him though for exploiting it though.

It's funny because I remember the game @TTech Monte's senior year was one of the worst I can remember. There weren't any egregious officiating lapses like the MJ foul on the three last night but the 2nd half whistle in the 2017 game was the most extreme version of "oh the home team is down so every paint touch they get let's call a foul." That was a big road win for that team.
 

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Agree with this and will add the whistles Culver was getting down the stretch were extremely inconsistent with how the rest of the game was called. Props to him though for exploiting it though.

It's funny because I remember the game @TTech Monte's senior year was one of the worst I can remember. There weren't any egregious officiating lapses like the MJ foul on the three last night but the 2nd half whistle in the 2017 game was the most extreme version of "oh the home team is down so every paint touch they get let's call a foul." That was a big road win for that team.

The officials certainly changed how we were allowed to defend in the 2nd half.
 
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Jacobson performing well is a big key for our team's success. I'm probably in the minority, but regardless if Lard gets 100% healthy & more consistent, I don't see him starting this year. Of course he's more athletic and can do some things that MJ can't, but Jacobson is just a better 'basketball player', imo. Still wanted to see both of them on the floor together at spot times this season, but don't think that will happen.
 

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Jacobson performing well is a big key for our team's success. I'm probably in the minority, but regardless if Lard gets 100% healthy & more consistent, I don't see him starting this year. Of course he's more athletic and can do some things that MJ can't, but Jacobson is just a better 'basketball player', imo. Still wanted to see both of them on the floor together at spot times this season, but don't think that will happen.

He's definitely a very, very important part of this team.

Comparisons are hard to make. We've only had 2018-19 Cam on the floor for 71 minutes through 17 games (crazy to consider that).

I'd also like to see some brief stretches with Jacobson at the 4 and Lard at the 5 (particularly when we're struggling to rebound).
 
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I'd put Lard on there. Obviously at the bottom but he's on there. Honestly, right now, I think Wigginton is looking more like a D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera or Melo Trimble where every year is going to be his last year but he's here for 3-4 years. Haliburton is going to have to be more assertive. He was fine last night but he's too good to be that passive. There's something to be said for his efficiency but his highest usage games are also some of his best while his worst is one of two of his lowest usage games. It'd be nice to see him consistently in that 12-15% range.

Lard is maybe somewhere between BDJ and McKay in terms of the upside and risks. It definitely wouldn't shock me if he got a chance, he's less of a wild card in terms of the kind of teammate he is than BDJ and BDJ was getting serious minutes before his death.

Not sure someone could look it up but I was pretty confident from his sophomore year that Monte was the best NBA talent we had during Fred's years, even Royce. There were zero questions about how great he was between the ears and his ball handling skills were better than most NBA point guards when he was a high school kid, the minute his 3 point shot became reliable he was a can't miss under the radar prospect when you consider nobody handled the ball like him for decades of college hoops.

Haliburton has different strengths and weaknesses than Monte but a lot of what you said is a little similar to the first half of Morris's first year. They are both about as pure as it gets in terms of a pure point guard.
 

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Even though he struggled with it last night (as did the whole team) his ability to step out and hit the 3 as a big is invaluable. Missed having that with guys like Georges and Hogue. Also, I think he’s probably the best we’ve got in setting screens. Seems like the rest of our guys aren’t overly enthusiastic about doing that, but he seems to really get under opposing team’s skin when he does. Very much a lunch pail type of player.

Actually, I feel outside of 1-2 games, he has struggled a lot with 3's. I'm not seeing the consistency I thought I would. When teams are backing up off of you and leaving you wide open, you can't hit them, you should probably stop shooting.