ISU vs Auburn in Big 12 SEC Challenge

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  1. Sigmapolis

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    74-76 initial projection Barttorvik

    Auburn favored by 2

    42% win expectation for Iowa State

    probably a pick or ISU favored by 1 on a neutral court

    Should be a good or close game.
     
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    That's definitely not bad considering some publications have put Auburn into their "way too early top-25"!
     
  3. Sigmapolis

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    Barttorvik is not buying it.

    He has ISU at #57* right now and Auburn at #76. Oregon State is #75.

    *that projection assumes no Bolton

    Having Bolton eligible probably kicks us up 10-15 places, at least.
     
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    Auburn lost a lot but returns some nice pieces. Very Similar to the Clones.

    Got to get Bolton eligible for games like this!
     
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    I mean these preseason rankings don't mean anything right now but Auburn probably should be a little better than that with some of the guys they have returning / coming in. If ISU is 42nd on that list right away I would not argue though. But that list has Seton Hall at a 27 when they will most likely be in the top 15 if not better. So some of the rankings are spotty while some could be accurate.
     
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    #26 Sigmapolis, Jul 23, 2019
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    I have more trust in a more systemic computer approach than I do in sportswriters eyeballing it and introducing their own favoritism or bias, conscious or not, into the process.

    Barttorvik and KenPom and the like might not be perfect, and I am sure they are going to come up with instances of being wildly incorrect with their preseason projections, but I think they are a reasonable starting point for expectations. I guarantee they are going to be better than somebody trying to sit down and rank them all from #1 to #353 themselves.

    The difference between roughly #75 and Top 25 is pretty huge. I would be inclined to have them on a preseason Top 25 list is probably massively overrating them at this point. That might be a hangover of their hot run in March, but they lost a lot of talent.
     
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    I completely understand and get what you're saying. But guys like Seth Davis and Jeff Goodman have a little bit more understanding about some of the teams than a computer does. And I doubt they're using their bias by putting Seton Hall in their top 15's. I use Ken Pom myself and love using it.
     
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    He seemed to be in foul trouble every game that year. I can remember a couple games he didn't play much of the game but would come in and take over in crunch time. He wasn't as good overall but that was the last time we saw him in the post, he was fun to watch on the block, almost unstoppable. I think individually, he could have been a more dominant college player had he played in the post but from the team perspective (and proving he could play the 3 to NBA scouts) , I totally get why he played on the wing.
     
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    He also struggled on the defensive end - which resulted in the foul trouble. They had to do something to keep him on the floor.
     
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    It’s awesome that Tech gets to host Kentucky. I still can’t believe we stole a win there last year - the atmosphere for that game (at least on TV) in Lubbock was electric. It’s nice to see a fan base south of Kansas actually give a damn about basketball.
     
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    The "myth" of Georges being the key to a Final 4 run in 2013-14 started because he had just destroyed Kansas and our first round opponent (NCCU). He wasn't great against Baylor, but his play in those high-profile games as well as the Band-Aid incident contributed to a sense that that team was destined for something special.

    I don't necessarily buy it, but hard to argue we wouldn't have had a much better chance had he not been hurt.
     
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    If you go by Barttorvik game scores, compared to the 2014 team...

    The 2015 team played against better competition in Kansas City.
    The 2017 team played against better competition and was playing better in KC.
    The 2019 team was playing better in Kansas City.

    The 2014 team was really good, but its efficiency numbers for the whole season, the Big 12, or late in the season do anything but scream "this one is going all the way."

    But Iowa State fans love constructing a hypothetical national championship more than anything else. I would know as one of them. I am not sure the Kane-Ejim team makes it past UConn, much less Michigan State and the teams after it, late that year.

    Nothing like the legend of what could have been, though, which Hoiberg himself and all the media members around the team have done plenty to try to cultivate ever since.
     
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    It didn't have anything to do with the 1 and 2 seeds getting beat in the Round of 32 and Sweet 16 with us being the highest seed left?
     
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    Pretty pumped. I will be living less than an hour away from Auburn. On a Saturday too!
     
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    Go figure...Kentucky ducking us again.
     
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    Pre-concerning.
     
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    13-14 NCAA field was also about as wide open as I remember once you got to the Sweet Sixteen.
     
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    And the one year of those 5 we were at home, we were trash so i'll forgive people who forget we've had a home game
     
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    Just when I almost had purged that game from memory ... :(
     
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    I'm sorry but no team should have to play 3 road games in a row in one of these series.
     

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