Jordan Burroughs was the guy who started the trend. I never figured him as a staller.
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Well, they actually shoot from their knees, so there’s that. SMH
Not making it up.
Burroughs never hung out on his knees like that. Got there from defending shots and then reshooting. Big difference.
I don’t agree with booing a high school state champion who won by scoring the only offensive points. I don’t agree with refs trying to decide matches based on who they like. Got enough of that as an Iowa State fan over the years.
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Soooo - Burroughs is OK to wrestle from his knees because it's different. The refs are trying to decide matches based on who they like by calling stalling on someone who was actually stalling. Did I get that right?
btw - I'm sorry your son lost his match.
What are you talking about? Lost what match? I thought the right kid won. That made no sense.
Read what Crablegs wrote-maybe you don’t understand wrestling well enough to know what stalling is and isn’t. I’m not going to waste my time explaining wrestling to you. If you think booing is ok that’s your problem.
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Do we have a shot at Riggins or is he a Hawk or Panther lean? He would make a great 165/174 in the future.
Typically yes but not this kid, he will be D1. Just beat Rathjen who is a hawk now and Riggins is only a Jr. He will continue to get better and should be a top 10 guy at his weight nationally next year.
I've had conversations with those associated with Wartburg wrestling and they've told me more than once that Wartburg being in Waverly can actually hurt them more than it can help them with getting WSR kids. Kids want to get out of town and see something different in their college years. I can't say I blame them.
I was just joking with the comment about your son losing. I don't even know if you have a son and I interpreted your point of view as if your son (or someone close to you) was the one whom "The ref's didn't like". I probably crossed a line on that and for that I apologize.
As for the booing - If you read all of my posts I didn't address this at all because I don't personally don't agree with booing a high school kid.
We can also agree to disagree on what is, or is not stalling. We're all wrestling fans here and I welcome your POV regardless if I agree with it or not. It's a great sport and I do believe we all want what's best for the competitors and teams.
Go Cyclones!
I don't care if the kid lays on his stomach and still is firing off shots and being offense minded. Standing on your feet and collar tying is not offense in my mind, so I don't care if they wrestle on their knees or whatever. Are they trying to kill time? Then it's stalling.
I don't care for booing at all. When I was in the corner, I had discussions with refs that just tying up and shoving kids around the mat wasn't offense, it was just shoving. Need to be creating offense in my opinion. Maybe you love watching ear to ear, but it's pretty much impossible to hit shots in that position.
I appreciate that, thank you. Yes, we are wrestling fans and Cyclone fans. I think we agree more than disagree, it’s just harder to explain on a message board than in person.
I dislike stalling just as much as poor sportsmanship and showboating.
Again, I think we agree more than disagree. Lots of ways to stall, doesn’t always get called the same or fairly. Much easier to discuss in person I realize.
Saw someone mention the Villaescusa (Gilbert) v. Mooberry (Osage) match in the finals round, I believe.
I didn't catch the whole thing, but from what I saw it looked like Villaescusa would have had a couple few takedowns on the edge had it been a college meet and easily could have been a state champ as it looked like he pretty handily beat everyone else he saw. In the end, Mooberry won 5-4 without really taking a shot that I saw. To his credit, Mooberry looks to have some standout D.
What are the HS out-of-bounds rules?
Also, if Villaescusa doesn't mind wrestling where his Dad coaches, he looks like he could be a solid guy for the Cyclones in a couple of years.
I didn't catch the whole thing, but from what I saw it looked like Villaescusa would have had a couple few takedowns on the edge had it been a college meet and easily could have been a state champ as it looked like he pretty handily beat everyone else he saw. In the end, Mooberry won 5-4 without really taking a shot that I saw. To his credit, Mooberry looks to have some standout D.
What are the HS out-of-bounds rules?
Also, if Villaescusa doesn't mind wrestling where his Dad coaches, he looks like he could be a solid guy for the Cyclones in a couple of years.
HS is supposed to be 2 supporting points in counts, but it’s all up to the ref. Son had a TD to advance to state a few years back in where three were in and was still called out.
Wow - I saw many matches with 2 supporting point in-bounds on TD attempts when they called it OOB. Thanks for the clarification. To be fair the college OOB rules are so much easier to understand and ref. I wonder if this is a change they are considering. I love how the college rules have evolved (OOB rule, injury TO rule, 4 point near fall, 5 seconds on the lower leg is stalling, etc). The sport is only getting better in my opinion... I can see a push out rule next which (I'm in favor of). At least make the person whom steps out first get an automatic stall.
The biggest issue with HSs is mat and gym size. Too many mats are not big enough to drag toes for a take down or even some gyms the wrestler is into the wall when two mats are down. Why Dollamur mats got more popular. They are easier to leave out an outside section in the middle and have more exterior space than the resilite mats.
I heard that we are recruiting Riggins.
Recruiting will be interesting. I think there will be a fair amount of transfers with the free year and dead period where freshmen weren't allowed to do official visits to campus and having to stay at the 9.9 scholarships except for your seniors coming back.
With 2 classes of freshman next year, and the 4 classes of redshirts, that is a lot to keep at 9.9 scholarships.
With 2 classes of freshman next year, and the 4 classes of redshirts, that is a lot to keep at 9.9 scholarships.
