It's week 2 and I'm thrilled we are ranked, so I'm not really in the mood to be cranky about this. But I'd love to hear an explanation of Notre Dame, Michigan, K-State, Oklahoma State and LSU being ranked ahead of us.
Iowa State #21 in AP Poll After Week 2
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All the espn crew are saying “college football is just better when the Cyclones are ranked”.
I had Notre Dame on beside our game on another tv. They played worse than Iowa, NIU and ISU but are ranked ahead of all three.
The real killer is they can’t have an all important thirteen data points, so they’ll have to be left out like #3 TCU got dropped to sixth. Right?
By the time the CFP comes out the inertia of the preseason AP poll is largely worked out. In addition, since I focus mostly on ISU, it seems pretty clear the CFP committees have not been very influenced by the AP. When ISU was in the CFP, AP typically had them much lower, and several other P5 teams with the same number or more losses as ISU, while the CFP has often had ISU as the highest or second-highest 1 or 2 loss team.
This is why I have always been a huge proponent of all voters not adjusting their ballot from last week's ballot or last week's poll, but instead starting with a blank sheet of paper and just basing their poll on how teams have performed thus far. There is no way that any voter can legitimately say that Michigan and Notre Dame have performed as two of the top 20 teams in the nation thus far, yet here we are...
Getting rid of the preseason polls would be great as well, but I know that is just a pipe dream at this point.
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I agree fluidity should be more common especially early in the season. You don't have to lock a team at a position because it "didn't lose." (One example among others).
Agree the CFP ranking has actually been more fair to ISU than AP/Coaches, my big beef with it is the wild variation in criteria for the top four from year to year and week to week.
Logically a loss in any CCG should be a non factor or even a positive when comparing to Notre Dame or power conference teams that miss the CCG entirely. It won't always be unless we switch to a computer ranking system.
Don't get me wrong, I think non CCG participants can be clearly worthy of one of the 7 at large bids, I'm just INCREDIBLY SKEPTICAL that brand name teams who don't play one will be penalized and lesser brands who lose a CCG will not be penalized. We know the brand name team who can never play a CCG will never be penalized for it in terms of at large selection, but the format already penalizes them in seeding for not having the opportunity to be a top seed.
This is just stupid. There is NO WAY the powers that be allow more than two Big 12 teams into the playoffs.
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It's crazy to think but if Iowa State can win at Morgantown they could legit start 10-0 going into a trip to Utah!
I don’t play or coach in the games so I’m already dreaming of what a magical season could look like. I’m also imaging what a disappointing season could also look like. Both thoughts will have no impact on how the season plays out.
I never understood the let’s take it 1 game at a time on message boards. We have zero control how the games go.
Yes and no. Big name bias is a real thing. Those teams are always over valued and under penalized when they lose. Good Big 12 teams like Iowa State will tumble a lot of spots as soon as they lose. I'm more interested in how initial playoff rankings will look. Obviously there is still going to be bias but they are typically more favorable to teams like Iowa State than AP voters. Hell usually once the playoff rankings come out a lot of AP voters will correct their votes the following week.
Incorrect.
Best case scenario for the Big 12 is that ISU and KState are both undefeated when they meet.
Unless you’re saying that playing a one loss KStste right away again in the Championship game would be bad?
Some early computer rankings to compare against 21/23 AP/Coaches:
Massey's composite average: #22
Sagarin: #24
Massey: #16
Massey's composite average: #22
Sagarin: #24
Massey: #16
K-State and Utah don't play each other, so I would be fine with both of them at 11-1 and ISU at 12-0. We'll just take whomever has the tiebreaker.
Agreed. I believe the first playoff rankings come out in early November. There’s enough of a sample size by then to weed out the preseason hype vs how the season has actually unfolded.
Just keep winning. These rankings will sort themselves out by the end of the year
Drove down to the Alamo bowl game and thought the same thing to myself as we basically hit alot of these schools. It made sense these schools made a conference. Shame.
So if the next few weeks play out like it should the first trouble I see is at WVU. By that time we could be hovering around #10. If so, and the preseason rankings of MBB, WBB, and wrestling are used. I was wondering if ISU has ever hit top ten in these 4 major sports in the same year? Pretty impressive when you look at the national stage. Any other school going to do it?
