Impact of RW's early struggles on Hoiberg

Discussion in 'Mens Basketball' started by psychlone99, Nov 13, 2012.

  1. psychlone99

    psychlone99 Well-Known Member

    Before I get to my main concern, I've heard a lot of people say that RW's decision to declare was wholly justified when he was drafted where he was. I think this stance is partially right, but here's where I disagree. Based on stories that came out shortly after the draft, I think it's fair to assume that his draft position was at least partially based on an assurance that his anxiety was manageable. We've heard that Coach Hoiberg was somehow involved in providing these assurances, which gets to the main point of my post below. But if Royce White himself had any doubts that his anxiety was, indeed, manageable, then his decision may have been the best one for him financially, but it wasn't a fair decision for the teams that were prepared to invest in him. And given what we've seen thus far, I have a hard time believing that RW had a great amount of confidence that he could actually handle the NBA. That's not fair to himself or the NBA, which makes it hard for me to feel like declaring was the right decision.

    Regarding Hoiberg's involvement, this is where my real concern lies. RW is gone, and that chapter of ISU basketball is over. But Hoiberg is a young coach early in his career, and I'm worried that RW flaking out in the NBA (and I hate to say that, but let's call a spade a spade) may hurt Hoiberg's credibility a bit when it comes to vouching for his future NBA prospects. Next time he talks to a GM and tries to convince him that Joe Cyclone is worth a draft pick, that GM is going to remember that Hoiberg also vouched for RW.

    Hopefully it works out, and I do wish the best for RW. But as a Cyclone fan, I'm more concerned with how RW's future in the NBA reflects on Hoiberg, depending on how much he went to bat for RW to get him drafted as high as he was. And I suppose we'll never really know...
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  2. KFitzy87

    KFitzy87 Guest

    While all of this is true, he also has Diante Garrett to point to now. Hopefully Royce can pull it together.
  3. iacyguy

    iacyguy Well-Known Member

    Nov 1, 2011
    The Dirty Dodge
    let me royce meltdown?
  4. gocubs2118

    gocubs2118 Well-Known Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Is everyone who's going pro from ISU going to have anxiety? This is a special case and I don't think it will be held against Fred at all.
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  5. The_Architect

    The_Architect Well-Known Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    Focus Town
    I agree with the point of your post. However I still think it's a little early to judge.
  6. The_Architect

    The_Architect Well-Known Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    Focus Town
    Well, hopefully it doesn't cost McHale his job since from the sound of it Kevin McHale really valued Fred's judgement regarding White and was really the only one interested in drafting him.
  7. acrozier22

    acrozier22 Well-Known Member

    I think you are over analyzing the situation. This has zero impact on Hoiberg.
  8. Luth4Cy

    Luth4Cy Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2012
    Ames, IA
    A lot of NBA draft picks aren't successful. Even if Royce ends up being a complete bust, I don't think that will hurt Fred's credibility too much. Keep in mind Royce is very early in his career. He could still jump in and out of the league multiple times before hopefully ending up being a great NBA player.
  9. tjh1984

    tjh1984 Member

    Feb 11, 2009
    New Orleans/Chicago
    Great post, I was kinda thinking the same today but was hoping that this is just to early to really come to any conclusions. Hopefully everything works out for Royce but to me he has seemed very selfish as a pro.
  10. gogagig

    gogagig Well-Known Member

    May 21, 2008
    Hoiberg's reputation in the NBA was built over many years. He recommended Royce. It was his first recommendation. And it will probably be the most difficult recommendation he will make in his entire coaching career. Not every player will have RW issues. Thankfully the NBA knows that Fred has an eye for knowing talent. And as long as the NBA contacts know that Fred is making recommendations with professional sincerity (and not blinded by cardinal-gold in making recommendations), he will maintain his contacts in the NBA. And yes, it is too early to call RW a washout.
  11. CY9008

    CY9008 Member

    Apr 14, 2010
    Des Moines, IA
    yep I can agree with this logic...but most teams/GMs passed on Royce because they knew what they were getting I dont think this will reflect on Fred too much...
  12. scyclonekid

    scyclonekid Well-Known Member

    Feb 13, 2008
    This has nothing to do with Hoiberg and everything to do with Royce. Hoiberg prepares players for the next level and after that it's up to that player to make his own path these are grown men you know. Plus Royce has a disorder which is the main cause for his struggles as of right now. Royce will get it figured out either way and whatever that young mans path will be we have to support him.
  13. isuno1fan

    isuno1fan Well-Known Member

    Mar 30, 2006
    Clive, Iowa

  14. JohnnyFive

    JohnnyFive Well-Known Member

    Feb 25, 2012
    It won't hurt Hoiberg at all. He gave Royce his honest assessment when they talked about it, which was that he had enough talent that he could be a first-round pick with a shot at the top 15. Royce was taken 16th, so Hoiberg was right.

    He can't take Royce any farther than he has so far.
  15. kilgore_trout

    kilgore_trout Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    Madison, WI
    take a deep breath. go to your happy place.
  16. brokenloginagain

    brokenloginagain Well-Known Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    as far as I can tell, Fred Hoiberg is the first GM/scout to ever make a mistake evaluating a player. No one else in the nba that talks to FH on a daily basis has ever made a mistake before, because they all know how easy it is to predict how players will work out in the nba in the future.
  17. psychlone99

    psychlone99 Well-Known Member

    For the record, I'm in no way melting down over this. As some have pointed out, RW's career is by no means over, and Hoiberg has built his reputation over many years. But I liken the situation to agreeing to be a professional reference for someone in a tightly-knit profession. If you choose to vouch for someone, you are, to some degree, putting your own reputation on the line.
  18. College coaches are not responsible for what their players do once they leave the program and enter the NBA, period.
  19. BloodyBuddy

    BloodyBuddy Well-Known Member

    Mar 13, 2012
    This is dumb. If ISU has a guy with NBA potential on the team in the future, I doubt anyone is gonna look back to what RW has done with his career. The NBA is notorious for drafting on potential, not necessarily caring about someone's baggage.
  20. isugcs

    isugcs Well-Known Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    Fred Hoiberg knows more about how the NBA works than we'll ever understand. Royce was drafted in the first round to the NBA despite challenges discussed. What do you think that will do for Fred in the eyes of potential recruits that also want to become millionaires in the NBA?

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