I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC
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My only gripe is the lack of utilization of the talent available. Just like you take what the defense gives you, play to the strengths of your personnel. I guess the drawback is you will not implement 'your' desired offense as soon, but I think it's more important to create a winning tradition than implement offensive philosophies in the early going. IF Herman is not better in 1.5 years, you have to take a long hard look at a potential change, IMHO.
I can't believe people are forgetting the level of talent we've played that handed us our lunch. And we ain't done yet.
So two years ago we lost to OU by 14 points but we have now gotten to point where we lose by 52 points…there is a bigger issue.
Yeah, let's get rid of Herman and then add yet another new offense for our players to have to learn so it never ends in a vicious cycle.
Pop quiz: who here can tell me one of the biggest keys to Iowa's success?
Pop quiz: who here can tell me one of the biggest keys to Iowa's success?
ISU lost 1 assistant coach last off-season. I hope thats the last one we lose until 2014 when a proper evaluation of the staff can be done. Continuity is killing this program and nothing else.
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Staff continuity!!!
But all of the chicken littles on this website think the world is coming down with every setback.
Here is a link to statistics Football Statistics - Iowa State University Athletics Official Web Site - www.CYCLONES.com - The home of Iowa State Cyclone Sports
I am posting yardage and points only the rest are available via the link.
2007 Points/game 18.2 yards/game 326.9
2008 Points/game 25.3 yards/game 386.8
2009 Points/game 20.5 yards/game 364.7
2010 Points/game 22.9 yards/game 307.6
Draw your own conclusions...if any.
You get a gold star!
Seriously guys, I HATE to compare us to Iowa, but sometimes it's gotta be done. Ferentz and staff stunk it up in the beginning, but once the coordinators got their program and players in place, look how it took off. Give it some times, guys. We're not Florida or Alabama, we can't expect immediate dominance with a staff change.
We also lost to Texas by 53 the week before that, and lost to UNI and Toledo that year. I think the OU game that year was more the exception than the rule.
look at what he has to work with. as soon as the staff starts getting there own guys we will be fine. plus winning doesn't happen over night.
I agree that ISU isn't playing with the right type of players (talent and 'system' wise)
Herman has said that he wants leaner lineman that are extremely mobile in the 6'5" or 6'6" region weighing no more than 300 lbs. Burris is the only one that fits that mold.
Arnaud and Tiller are dual threat quarterbacks, hence the predictable read plays all the time and lack of passing ability.
Herman needs speedy possession receivers---ISU has alot of players that fit that mold of a possession receiver (Darks, Lenz, Williams, etc.) but they all lack speed
Franklin is the only TE that should see the field for the team otherwise run a true 5 receiver set.
Overall, based on what Herman did at Rice, there are <5 players on the offense that match up with the system he used
Herman has said that he wants leaner lineman that are extremely mobile in the 6'5" or 6'6" region weighing no more than 300 lbs. Burris is the only one that fits that mold.
Arnaud and Tiller are dual threat quarterbacks, hence the predictable read plays all the time and lack of passing ability.
Herman needs speedy possession receivers---ISU has alot of players that fit that mold of a possession receiver (Darks, Lenz, Williams, etc.) but they all lack speed
Franklin is the only TE that should see the field for the team otherwise run a true 5 receiver set.
Overall, based on what Herman did at Rice, there are <5 players on the offense that match up with the system he used
I have no idea if Herman is any good or not, in my book he has 3 more years to show if he is or not. But to say we should try to run a fastbreak offense like OU is crazy. Have you seen our defense? Our offense needs to use as much clock as possible and let them rest. We go 3 and out fast enough without picking up the pace more.
You are correct. Good post. People forget that we only won 5 games under Chizik's staff (2 in year 2, yes only 2). And yes, the offense wasn't too bad, but not great then, certainly not good enough to cover the 35 pts/game that we gave up going 0-8 against Big XII competition. 2 or 3 bad weeks in a row doesn't end the season necessarily. We've got a game in 2 weeks that'll tell you about the team's progression.
Even if he sucks now, my hope is he will figure it out and in a couple years he will be a better OC than he is now. I don't think anyone should think he is a finished product, they guy is like 34 after all. He is still learning and there have been games where I felt the offense did pretty well. I do think he is a smart guy so I am not too worried about it. As many others have said, we simply cannot afford to keep switching schemes, we have been doing that for 30 years and has gotten us nowhere. Herman has to be given as much time as humanely possible to get this going.If Herman doesn't work out and has to be fired, PR's time here will be almost over.
I also think we did play to our strengths last year so I feel like last year Herman did fine. We ran the ball very well, and that was the strength with Reggie, AA and AROB.
I also think we did play to our strengths last year so I feel like last year Herman did fine. We ran the ball very well, and that was the strength with Reggie, AA and AROB.
Exactly. More screens, draws, and zone reads. Stuff that keeps the clock running and kills those teams that get a good rush or blitz in on AA. Heck, if the other teams are that close to our WR's that we can't get separation, we ought to be able to block them on screens. I know it still comes down to AA being able to hit 15 yd outs or other mid-deep throws occasionally, but in the meantime run some clock with as much ball control as we can do to keep the D off the field. Our D plays a lot better if they're off the field more than 3 plays (and a punt) at a time...
