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Discussion in 'Big XII Conference' started by surly, Mar 25, 2019.
They're 2 point dogs. I think they actually win
Losing Brown, Stokes and Wade is gonna hurt. I'm sure your defense will be fine, but you really struggled without Wade. Brown was the go-to in his absence, and he hit a ridiculous amount of shots as the shot clock expired to bail out horrible offensive sets. Diarra is solid and I think Mawien has potential, but you will need someone to step up big time. Those scoring droughts you saw this year won't improve by losing your two best drought-breakers. You can't afford to have Sneed disappear for chunks of time.
So there weren't any good teams in the league this year but K State will be good next year after losing their 3 best players? Hell losing Brown is a big enough deal, how many games did he carry you guys when no one else could score?
From what I have seen, I wouldn't be surprised to see Michigan beat TxT. To me the evidence is there (unfortunately) from watching the B1G, some ACC and SEC teams in the tourney that the physicality displayed is something they are experienced in. I think that their conferences are set up and reffed in a way to produce a game product that allows this to a certain level. The NCAA tourney seems to favor this style of play and seems to allow physical bump and grind style a bit more this year. I don't think the BIG 12 has developed the product in that direction as quickly. This along with some weaker BIG 12 teams has caused the results we see.
Well... KSU will probably finish in the bottom 3.
Did you see that team without Wade this year? Then you throw out Brown & Stokes. Oof.
Every year it's the same wash, rinse, repeat here. Weber can't recruit. Weber can't coach.
Hey, did you guys hear Wes Iwundu will never get drafted and if he does, he'll never make an NBA roster? And Dean Wade will never make all-conference either, did you hear that halfway through the season? Or how about, Weber can't coach or recruit? I mean you guys are so predictable.
And Stokes was not one of K-State three best players. Xavier Sneed! And it wasn't close.
Okay, it's time for the "You alone make me hate K-State" post. That's typically the ending argument for the deepest thinkers here.
Their resume was essentially the same as Ohio State. Get all your wins in non-con, then go 8 - 12 in conference. Beat Indiana twice. Northwestern. Penn State. Illinois. Iowa. Rutgers. Nebraska. That is a really weak conference resume. Other than Iowa, all of their wins were against teams below them.
Surly. Take a step back and think about it (without the purple blinders on).
Who on KSU’s 19-20 team will make them anything less but.... bottom 3?
Don’t get me wrong, Snead and Diarra are decent role players.
About 6 weeks ago, I could tell Big 12 probably had no strong contenders for Final Four. Entering March, it looked like league would max out with 2 to Sweet 16.
I agree with you that Kansas State will be good next year. I probably dont think they will be as good as you expect them to be. Sneed, Mawien and Diarra will keep KSU in the top half of the Big 12.
Still lots of roster moves to make for everyone in the Big 12 but KSU seems to have a good core to prevent a massive drop.
People put so much weight on this tournament full of random games. I mean we lost to Ohio State, but realistically I think most people that watch college basketball would say that we would beat them 8 out of 10 times at least. We just had a bad game. And do you really think Iowa is on the same planet as Tennessee? No, but crazy things happen in basketball games, and somehow they got close. That's why usually you see crazy upsets in the tournament (this year not withstanding). We know the Big 12 was solid but possibly only had 1 great team this year. However they did not have the just awful teams that pretty much every other conference has.
Let's put it this way, I don't see K-State falling off the table like WVU did this year after losing their stud guards. Diarra and Sneed are two quality quards. And in college, guards rule. Mawien is a capable center. How Weber fills in around them will be key to K-State being in the B12's top half.
But none of us know what rosters will look like next season, nor how good the incoming classes will be. Who leaves early for the NBA? Lard has already left Ames. A big loss. Ku could be on probation (likely). Beard, Dixon, Shaka all could be gone (I doubt it). We just don't know enough yet.
You are simply off in your assessment of Sneed, Diarra and Mawien. Both are very good players and will be seniors who have played a lot over the years. I dont see them dropping below the top 5 in the Big 12 when you take into account that most teams below them will also be losing valuable contributors. It's not like they lose Brown, Wade and Stokes while everyone else returns the same roster.
Tuco defending Surly?
Yeah, I’m taking them to finish below the top 5.
Sharps on Tech, publc/squares on Mich right now. We usually know how that works out.
First bolded: ISU had how many games like the OSU game? That was a bad game, but that was all too common to assume they're that much better than OSU.
2nd bolded: why?
To answer the original post, I agree the Big 12 was not strong this year as it has been for several years running.
Injuries played a huge role in that. I think Kansas with Doke would have been very competitive, him and Lawson together, yikes! ISU lost two assumed starters at the outset and was scrambling the entire season to find the right lineups. K State lost Wade at a really bad time.
Then teams like WVU and Okie State lost so many players due to transfer or expulsion.
I really think this was just a freak bad luck year and by next year it will be the usual dogfight with a lot of high quality teams and games.